Fed-join talk at Flock.

[Gabriele Trombini]

Hi guys,

as you know the talk proposal was accepted(https://flock2015.sched.org/
event/5c50e2d10a4b1bd7319f6ece318bdcb4#.VadurK0eLeQ).

There are some points I should develop:

General part:

1) the new structure of fedora-join;
2) the target of fed-join;
3) the new workflow of fed-join;
4) what we need to reach the goal;

Specific part:

1) why "Mary" is "marooned" (wiki for "dummies", how don't get lost
inside);
2) what we can do for Mary;
3) let's "rescue" Mary together.

Proposals:

1) a badge assigned for each rescued user;

Those are some of the points I guessed, of course others can get up
while writing the talk, but if you have any suggestion, feel free to
reply.

Thanks

Gabri.

[Ankur Sinha]

On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 10:55 +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
> Hi guys,

Hiya!

Sorry I haven't replied yet - I was away at an academic conference. :)
> as you know the talk proposal was accepted(
> https://flock2015.sched.org/
> event/5c50e2d10a4b1bd7319f6ece318bdcb4#.VadurK0eLeQ).

Awesome!
> There are some points I should develop:
>
> General part:
> the new structure of fedora-join;
> the target of fed-join;
> the new workflow of fed-join;
> what we need to reach the goal;

Sounds good. The goal of the SIG should be focussed - people need to
understand why the SIG is around in the first place and how it'll
contribute to Fedora. Something on the lines of:

"We take it for granted that newbies will come up and ask us questions
and learn by themselves but this isn't really how it works. Newbies are
generally shy and scared and only after they spend enough time in the
community do they learn how to go about it all. We want seasoned
contributors to speak to them right when they enter the project to
teach them the Open source way and the Fedora way - at the earliest
opportunity! :D

You may even get questions about how this is different from the older
"mentors program" and so on.
> Specific part:
> why "Mary" is "marooned" (wiki for "dummies", how don't get lost
>
> inside);
> 2) what we can do for Mary;
> 3) let's "rescue" Mary together.

I really like this idea. It'll really help in getting across how
newbies find it difficult to join up when they are completely new to
the project.
> Proposals:
> a badge assigned for each rescued user;

Hrm, this means "Mary" gets a badge? Doesn't this already happen since
all new FAS account users get badges. How about badges for people that
rescue Mary instead? That'll encourage more contributors to help out?
So:

- badges for people that help newbies
- improve join.fp.o which just redirects to 
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join at the moment (it may have all the
info we think newbies need, but it doesn't really help them too much
since they have zero knowledge of the community's functioning
beforehand). 
- get http://whatcanidoforfedora.org/ more visibility - and provide
options there to speak to the Fedora Join SIG?
- and so on..?
> Those are some of the points I guessed, of course others can get up
> while writing the talk, but if you have any suggestion, feel free to
> reply.

Thanks for working on this. It'll be nice to get some feedback from any
newbies here if they're still around ;)

[Pete Travis]

On Jul 28, 2015 8:46 AM, "Ankur Sinha"  wrote:
> On Thu, 2015-07-16 at 10:55 +0200, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
> > Hi guys,
>
> Hiya!
>
> Sorry I haven't replied yet - I was away at an academic conference. :)
> > as you know the talk proposal was accepted(
> > https://flock2015.sched.org/
> > event/5c50e2d10a4b1bd7319f6ece318bdcb4#.VadurK0eLeQ).
>
> Awesome!
> > There are some points I should develop:
> >
> > General part:
> > the new structure of fedora-join;
> > the target of fed-join;
> > the new workflow of fed-join;
> > what we need to reach the goal;
>
> Sounds good. The goal of the SIG should be focussed - people need to
> understand why the SIG is around in the first place and how it'll
> contribute to Fedora. Something on the lines of:
>
> "We take it for granted that newbies will come up and ask us questions
> and learn by themselves but this isn't really how it works. Newbies are
> generally shy and scared and only after they spend enough time in the
> community do they learn how to go about it all. We want seasoned
> contributors to speak to them right when they enter the project to
> teach them the Open source way and the Fedora way - at the earliest
> opportunity! :D
>
> You may even get questions about how this is different from the older
> "mentors program" and so on.
> > Specific part:
> > why "Mary" is "marooned" (wiki for "dummies", how don't get lost
> >
> > inside);
> > 2) what we can do for Mary;
> > 3) let's "rescue" Mary together.
>
> I really like this idea. It'll really help in getting across how
> newbies find it difficult to join up when they are completely new to
> the project.
> > Proposals:
> > a badge assigned for each rescued user;
>
> Hrm, this means "Mary" gets a badge? Doesn't this already happen since
> all new FAS account users get badges. How about badges for people that
> rescue Mary instead? That'll encourage more contributors to help out?
> So:
> badges for people that help newbies
> improve join.fp.o which just redirects to
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join at the moment (it may have all the
> info we think newbies need, but it doesn't really help them too much
> since they have zero knowledge of the community's functioning
> beforehand).
> get http://whatcanidoforfedora.org/ more visibility - and provide
>
> options there to speak to the Fedora Join SIG?
> and so on..?
> > Those are some of the points I guessed, of course others can get up
> > while writing the talk, but if you have any suggestion, feel free to
> > reply.
>
> Thanks for working on this. It'll be nice to get some feedback from any
> newbies here if they're still around ;)
> --
> Thanks,
> Regards,
> Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD"

Thinking about badges, and how to award them, gave me an idea.  What if,
instead of being simply a badge, there were a "Community Mentor Award"
(name TBD) for three or so folks each release cycle, with nominations and
selection from the community at large via the elections app?

--Pete

[Matthew Miller]

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:00:31PM -0500, Pete Travis wrote:
> Thinking about badges, and how to award them, gave me an idea.  What if,
> instead of being simply a badge, there were a "Community Mentor Award"
> (name TBD) for three or so folks each release cycle, with nominations and
> selection from the community at large via the elections app?

I like it. File a badge suggestion ticket!