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From: Christoph Wickert <christoph.wickert@gmail.com>
Date: 2013/5/3
Subject: Re: FUDCon coming this summer/fall?
To: fudcon-planning@lists.fedoraproject.org

Am Freitag, den 03.05.2013, 10:23 +0100 schrieb Peter Robinson:

> On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Christoph Wickert
> <christoph.wickert@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Am Mittwoch, den 17.04.2013, 11:26 -0400 schrieb Tom Callaway:
> >> On 04/17/2013 08:52 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> >> > I definitely like the idea of the one big event and being at the first one ;-) -
> >> > what budget do you expect? Speaking both about community guys (I can expect
> >> > the money that would be used for FUDCon EMEA could be used as travel budget) and
> >> > also internal people from Europe, we usually don't pay from Fedora budget but
> >> > we need a coverage. As far as I know, there's no budget allocated and it will
> >> > be really hard to get such.
> >>
> >> There is a large chunk of OSAS budget allocated for this event, and our
> >> plan is to try to fund as much travel/lodging for attendees as we
> >> possibly can. Getting people together for this event is our main
> >> priority. Including internal people. :)
> >
> > Lets do some simple math here:
> > FUDCon EMEA attendees: ~100, around 70 of them need lodging.
> > Cheapest flights to Charleston from anywhere in Europe: USD 13,000.
> >
> > Even if only half of the EMEA community members who typically attend a
> > FUDCon will go to FLOCK, it would cost us USD 45,000. And that's ony for
> > flights, no other travel costs or lodging. I really wonder how "bringing
> > people together" should work then. What budget do we have for travel
> > sponsorship?
> >
> > Let's face it: EMEA is the region that suffers most from the current
> > budget. We have a proven track record for budget planning and made a
> > very reasonable and realistic budget. However, we received over 30% less
> > than what we had requested. We even received less than we've spent last
> > year, simply because controlling at Red Hat does not work.
> >
> > And now our premier gets canceled without previous notice and it's
> > budget gets allocated to an event in NA. Well done!
>
> Actually the "without previous notice" isn't true. It was muted right
> from the very beginning of the initial "DoCon" proposal, it was even
> discussed in board meetings likely while you were a board member.

First of all I think that something published in a blog hardly counts as
an announcement. People cannot just follow every single block post on
the planet. A major change of policies should be discussed with all
relevant groups and people.

And AFAIR it was supposed to be an additional event, at least it was not
clear if it replaces other events. FUDCon LATAM takes place while EMEA
was canceled. The latest status we in FAmSCo had: FUDCon EMEA was
schedule for fall, possibly in October and as long as it doesn't
conflict with the new event, it will take place.

> It's also not just a NA event, Flock v2/2014 is proposed for Europe.

I know it's supposed to be a global event, but this year it's hosted in
the US and therefor most attendees will be from NA as well. And this in
the very same year that also happens to be the worst fiscal year EMEA
ever had. Very bad timing.

And what do you mean with "proposed"? Traditionally FUDCon bids are
handled by FAmSCo. I'm not saying that FLOCK needs to follow that
process, but if there was a proposal I would have appriciated a
heads'up.

Kind regards,
Christoph

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