On Sat, Jun 24, 2017, at 03:39 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
There's also:

3) i *really* want to come to flock but i cannot afford it on my own (US is expensive, visas are expensive, maybe they are a student or unemployed or otherwise not of means) so i need funding help and part of the reason im proposing a talk is to better my funding chances but if i dont get funding i cant go and i dont want to pay for reg when i cant even go

I think #3 is like 80% of the cases here at the least.

Making people pay to register for something theyre not able to go to seems scammy to me.

As a note, no one has been required to pay a registration fee before they are ready to, regardless of how they define ready.

It was possbile to register and not pay or to register and request hte fees be covered as part of the sponsorship.

It was even possible to set the fee to zero.

Many people have done this.

Unrelated, so far the only paid cancellation has without prompting in their cancellation asked to forfeit the fee to put a little bit of funding to someone who can come.  We could do refunds on any that had to be refunded.  All of this should be clarified in our messaging if we continue this and is in my notes for next year.

regards,

bex


~m

On June 23, 2017 12:24:58 PM EDT, Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Matthew Miller


<mattdm@fedoraproject.org> wrote:


 On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 04:57:01PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:


 Many speakers (~20) did not register for Flock when submitting their


 proposals. They didn't want to register because they weren't going


 to come unless their proposal was accepted.





 Maybe this is harsh, but my first reaction is that people who aren't


 interested in coming if their session proposal isn't accepted have the


 wrong motiviation for Flock anyway. I think we solve this simply by


 requiring registration to submit.





There are two main cases:





1) I want to attend Flock, but I cannot get my employer/sponsor to


fund it if I do not get a talk accepted


2) I want to attend Flock to present about $my_thing but that's about it





You can message to death about not needing to be accepted to be part


of Flock in the case of 1, but that's a really hard concept for


employers to get their head around.  It comes off as "yeah, send your


people to Flock because we want more attendees!", which makes it no


different than any other conference that just wants people.  If you


add an explicit *invite* system for people needed and why they are


needed, that helps.  But I suspect you'll have a lot of people not


registering until they get their talk submitted because of that


reason.





The second case is probably more in line with your reaction.  I'm sure


there are people that fall somewhere in between those two though.





josh





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