It is not at all clear.
~m
On July 7, 2017 8:15:24 AM EDT, Brian Exelbierd <bex(a)pobox.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 25, 2017, at 07:54 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> I get the point of the reg fee, just decide funding first and put a
deadline in reg fee. Dont count registrants who have an unpaid fee in
counts for things.
This is the process we are following.
regards,
bex
>
> ~m
>
> On June 24, 2017 12:09:44 PM EDT, Stephen John Smoogen
<smooge(a)gmail.com> wrote:>> On 23 June 2017 at 21:42, Máirín Duffy
<duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> >>> Oh and my reason for starting this thtead is bc i dont think we
should ask
>>> >>> for reg fee until funding is decided. It would simplify and
lessen confusion
>>> >>> imho.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~m
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't think there is a way we can please everyone here. The reason
>> >> for asking the fee was to get the N% of declared attendees who
don't
>> >> show up to not sign up. This was an expensive throw-away funding
on
>> >> food, t-shirts, and other bookings that could have been spent on
>> >> getting people who needed funding there. However the opposite is
also
>> >> true, there are some M% of people who are not going to sign up
because
>> >> they needed funding in the first place.
>>
>>
>>
>> That said, we should not put too much correlation and causation into
>> >> people attending this year. There are multiple reasons bookings
are
>> >> down for this and many other shows:
>>
>> 1. People from outside the US are less likely to travel to the US
currently. *
>> >> 2. People inside the US are less likely to travel this year it
would seem.*
>> >> 3. While we are getting great rates, they aren't the
'normal'
fudcon
>> >> or local LUG rates various people may be looking at. Even with
funding
>> >> promised that may be more than people want to take on.
>>
>>
>>
>> Add onto that we want this to be a do-er event and many people go to
>> >> shows to listen to talks versus doing stuff. They may not feel
they
>> >> can do stuff or that there is anything they want to do do when
they
>> >> get there. Many others are going to look at what is going to be
done
>> >> and then decide whether they want to go. Which would happen
whether or
>> >> not there was a payment at the front.
>>
>>
>>
>> * From reading about other tech events, they are seeing around a 50%
>> >> drop of outside of the US currently and they are seeing a drop
20-30%
>> >> drop of inside the US.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On June 23, 2017 9:39:54 PM EDT, "Máirín Duffy"
<duffy(a)fedoraproject.org>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's also:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3) i *really* want to come to flock but i cannot afford it on my
own (US
>>>> >>>> is expensive, visas are expensive, maybe they are a
student
or unemployed or
>>>> >>>> otherwise not of means) so i need funding help and part
of
the reason im
>>>> >>>> proposing a talk is to better my funding chances but if
i
dont get funding i
>>>> >>>> cant go and i dont want to pay for reg when i cant even
go
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think #3 is like 80% of the cases here at the least.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Making people pay to register for something theyre not able to go
to seems
>>>> >>>> scammy to me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ~m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On June 23, 2017 12:24:58 PM EDT, Josh Boyer
<jwboyer(a)fedoraproject.org>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 12:17 PM, Matthew Miller
>>>>>
>>>>> <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 04:57:01PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many speakers (~20) did not register for Flock when
submitting their
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> proposals. They didn't
want to register because they
weren't going
>>>>>>> >>>>>>> to come unless their proposal
was accepted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe this is harsh, but my first reaction is that people who
aren't
>>>>>> >>>>>> interested in coming if their session
proposal isn't
accepted have the
>>>>>> >>>>>> wrong motiviation for Flock anyway. I
think we solve
this simply by
>>>>>> >>>>>> requiring registration to submit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two main cases:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) I want to attend Flock, but I cannot get my employer/sponsor
to
>>>>> >>>>> fund it if I do not get a talk accepted
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) I want to attend Flock to present about $my_thing but that's
about it
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can message to death about not needing to be accepted to be
part
>>>>> >>>>> of Flock in the case of 1, but that's a
really hard
concept for
>>>>> >>>>> employers to get their head around. It comes
off as
"yeah, send your
>>>>> >>>>> people to Flock because we want more
attendees!", which
makes it no
>>>>> >>>>> different than any other conference that just
wants
people. If you
>>>>> >>>>> add an explicit *invite* system for people
needed and why
they are
>>>>> >>>>> needed, that helps. But I suspect you'll
have a lot of
people not
>>>>> >>>>> registering until they get their talk submitted
because of
that
>>>>> >>>>> reason.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The second case is probably more in line with your reaction.
I'm sure
>>>>> >>>>> there are people that fall somewhere in between
those two
though.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> josh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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