In connection with Catholic Youth Day festivities. Poland will impose border controls at all of its national borders from July 4 to August 2, and visitors to Poland during this period should be prepared to show their passport and undergo stricter security screening throughout Poland.
This note is based on information provided by the US Department of State. It will mostly impact travelers coming to Flock by ground transport. EU Citizens should be able to use their ID instead of their passport.
regards,
bex
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 04:01:55PM +0200, Brian (bex) Exelbierd wrote:
In connection with Catholic Youth Day festivities. Poland will impose border controls at all of its national borders from July 4 to August 2, and visitors to Poland during this period should be prepared to show their passport and undergo stricter security screening throughout Poland.
This note is based on information provided by the US Department of State. It will mostly impact travelers coming to Flock by ground transport. EU Citizens should be able to use their ID instead of their passport.
Added info, thanks Bex.
https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/c/03bfae1fed7aa5fcbc348eb6df6ace74991fac5a
Thank you!
I will try to do pagure requests in the future, I didn't realize this site had been moved there.
regards,
bex
On Jun 3, 2016, at 10:43 PM, Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 04:01:55PM +0200, Brian (bex) Exelbierd wrote:
In connection with Catholic Youth Day festivities. Poland will impose border controls at all of its national borders from July 4 to August 2, and visitors to Poland during this period should be prepared to show their passport and undergo stricter security screening throughout Poland.
This note is based on information provided by the US Department of State. It will mostly impact travelers coming to Flock by ground transport. EU Citizens should be able to use their ID instead of their passport.
Added info, thanks Bex.
https://pagure.io/fedora-websites/c/03bfae1fed7aa5fcbc348eb6df6ace74991fac5a
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3.06.2016 16:01 "Brian (bex) Exelbierd" bex@pobox.com wrote:
In connection with Catholic Youth Day festivities. Poland will impose border controls at all of its national borders from July 4 to August 2, and visitors to Poland during this period should be prepared to show their passport and undergo stricter security screening throughout Poland.
Thank you, Brian, for providing this information. Yes, these are the exact dates when Schengen acquis rules will be suspended and the border controls will be imposed. To be more precise, WYD will not be the only reason, the second one (or even the first one, in chronological order) is NATO summit. Note that most of Flock attendees are probably going to arrive on August 1 so they will not avoid these difficulties. EU citizens must have their passports or ID cards (it's recommended to have both). Non-EU citizens must have their passports and visas if needed. See the list of countries whose citizens do not need visas: http://www.msz.gov.pl/en/travel_to_poland/entering_poland/visa_free/ Note the citizens of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, and Serbia: only holders of biometric passports are allowed for visa-free travel. Shortly, everything like when crossing non-EU country border.
Border control will not be obligatory, though. The border guard may decide whether to screen or not to screen each traveler. Don't be surprised if they just tell you to go free or if you don't see any staff.
There will also be special regulations in Krakow. Regarding August 1 car traffic in large areas of the city center will be restricted, only local citizens of the area, public transport, taxis etc. will be allowed to drive. Note that it applies to August 1 only, the day when most of you are supposed to arrive, and the restricted area includes the main railway station and intercity bus station. See the map here: http://krakow.pl/zalacznik/257903/3 This does not impact the hotel area, the airport, etc. If you ask about previous days then almost whole area of the town will be restricted from car traffic (except local citizens etc.) The short message is: arrive at Flock as late as you can unless you are also going to attend at WYD.
But there are also some good news. Public transport will be promoted, there are 700 additional trains already announced plus many additional bus connections. Noise pollution regulations will be suspended to allow the airports operate 24h/day. There are plans to let the day city bus lines in Krakow to operate until 1am. Several museums will be open free of charge also in August.
This note is based on information provided by the US Department of State. It will mostly impact travelers coming to Flock by ground transport.
As far as I know there are no different regulations for different ways to cross the border. Brian, are you sure that air and sea travelers will be less impacted than ground travelers? I suggest to verify this information and remove this sentence from the web page if it turns out to be false.
EU Citizens should be able to use their ID instead of their passport.
As I wrote above, this is true but I still suggest to have both.
Best regards,
Rafal
On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:39 AM, Rafal Luzynski digitalfreak@lingonborough.com wrote:
3.06.2016 16:01 "Brian (bex) Exelbierd" bex@pobox.com wrote:
In connection with Catholic Youth Day festivities. Poland will impose border controls at all of its national borders from July 4 to August 2, and visitors to Poland during this period should be prepared to show their passport and undergo stricter security screening throughout Poland.
Thank you, Brian, for providing this information. Yes, these are the exact dates when Schengen acquis rules will be suspended and the border controls will be imposed. To be more precise, WYD will not be the only reason, the second one (or even the first one, in chronological order) is NATO summit. Note that most of Flock attendees are probably going to arrive on August 1 so they will not avoid these difficulties. EU citizens must have their passports or ID cards (it's recommended to have both).
As my source was a US Government communication, I don't have details for EU citizens exactly. If both are recommended the text should be amended.
Non-EU citizens must have their passports and visas if needed. See the list of countries whose citizens do not need visas: http://www.msz.gov.pl/en/travel_to_poland/entering_poland/visa_free/ Note the citizens of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, and Serbia: only holders of biometric passports are allowed for visa-free travel. Shortly, everything like when crossing non-EU country border.
Border control will not be obligatory, though. The border guard may decide whether to screen or not to screen each traveler. Don't be surprised if they just tell you to go free or if you don't see any staff.
There will also be special regulations in Krakow. Regarding August 1 car traffic in large areas of the city center will be restricted, only local citizens of the area, public transport, taxis etc. will be allowed to drive. Note that it applies to August 1 only, the day when most of you are supposed to arrive, and the restricted area includes the main railway station and intercity bus station. See the map here: http://krakow.pl/zalacznik/257903/3 This does not impact the hotel area, the airport, etc. If you ask about previous days then almost whole area of the town will be restricted from car traffic (except local citizens etc.) The short message is: arrive at Flock as late as you can unless you are also going to attend at WYD.
But there are also some good news. Public transport will be promoted, there are 700 additional trains already announced plus many additional bus connections. Noise pollution regulations will be suspended to allow the airports operate 24h/day. There are plans to let the day city bus lines in Krakow to operate until 1am. Several museums will be open free of charge also in August.
This note is based on information provided by the US Department of State. It will mostly impact travelers coming to Flock by ground transport.
As far as I know there are no different regulations for different ways to cross the border. Brian, are you sure that air and sea travelers will be less impacted than ground travelers? I suggest to verify this information and remove this sentence from the web page if it turns out to be false.
Again, this was written in the context of a US Government communication. Therefore air travelers would already automatically have their documents from inbound international flights while those making trips from other points in Europe may not.
I support amending the text as suggested by Rafal.
regards,
bex
EU Citizens should be able to use their ID instead of their passport.
As I wrote above, this is true but I still suggest to have both.
Best regards,
Rafal _______________________________________________ flock-planning mailing list flock-planning@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/flock-planning@lists.fedoraproje...
On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 12:48:33PM +0200, Brian (bex) Exelbierd wrote:
On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:39 AM, Rafal Luzynski digitalfreak@lingonborough.com wrote:
3.06.2016 16:01 "Brian (bex) Exelbierd" bex@pobox.com wrote:
In connection with Catholic Youth Day festivities. Poland will impose border controls at all of its national borders from July 4 to August 2, and visitors to Poland during this period should be prepared to show their passport and undergo stricter security screening throughout Poland.
Thank you, Brian, for providing this information. Yes, these are the exact dates when Schengen acquis rules will be suspended and the border controls will be imposed. To be more precise, WYD will not be the only reason, the second one (or even the first one, in chronological order) is NATO summit. Note that most of Flock attendees are probably going to arrive on August 1 so they will not avoid these difficulties. EU citizens must have their passports or ID cards (it's recommended to have both).
As my source was a US Government communication, I don't have details for EU citizens exactly. If both are recommended the text should be amended.
Non-EU citizens must have their passports and visas if needed. See the list of countries whose citizens do not need visas: http://www.msz.gov.pl/en/travel_to_poland/entering_poland/visa_free/ Note the citizens of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, and Serbia: only holders of biometric passports are allowed for visa-free travel. Shortly, everything like when crossing non-EU country border.
Border control will not be obligatory, though. The border guard may decide whether to screen or not to screen each traveler. Don't be surprised if they just tell you to go free or if you don't see any staff.
There will also be special regulations in Krakow. Regarding August 1 car traffic in large areas of the city center will be restricted, only local citizens of the area, public transport, taxis etc. will be allowed to drive. Note that it applies to August 1 only, the day when most of you are supposed to arrive, and the restricted area includes the main railway station and intercity bus station. See the map here: http://krakow.pl/zalacznik/257903/3 This does not impact the hotel area, the airport, etc. If you ask about previous days then almost whole area of the town will be restricted from car traffic (except local citizens etc.) The short message is: arrive at Flock as late as you can unless you are also going to attend at WYD.
But there are also some good news. Public transport will be promoted, there are 700 additional trains already announced plus many additional bus connections. Noise pollution regulations will be suspended to allow the airports operate 24h/day. There are plans to let the day city bus lines in Krakow to operate until 1am. Several museums will be open free of charge also in August.
This note is based on information provided by the US Department of State. It will mostly impact travelers coming to Flock by ground transport.
As far as I know there are no different regulations for different ways to cross the border. Brian, are you sure that air and sea travelers will be less impacted than ground travelers? I suggest to verify this information and remove this sentence from the web page if it turns out to be false.
Again, this was written in the context of a US Government communication. Therefore air travelers would already automatically have their documents from inbound international flights while those making trips from other points in Europe may not.
I support amending the text as suggested by Rafal.
regards,
bex
EU Citizens should be able to use their ID instead of their passport.
As I wrote above, this is true but I still suggest to have both.
Changes made.
12.06.2016 12:48 "Brian (bex) Exelbierd" bex@pobox.com wrote:
On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:39 AM, Rafal Luzynski digitalfreak@lingonborough.com wrote:
3.06.2016 16:01 "Brian (bex) Exelbierd" bex@pobox.com wrote: [...] EU citizens must have their passports or ID cards (it's recommended to have both).
As my source was a US Government communication, I don't have details for EU citizens exactly. If both are recommended the text should be amended.
Your info is correct: for EU citizens it's enough to have either a passport or an ID card. This is my private opinion and recommendation to have both. That's because I guess the local authorities sometimes may not be able to read the ID card in a language of another European country while passports are usually multilingual with English translation included. If you guys agree with me then you can amend the website with the info that EU citizens are obliged to have their ID card _or_ a passport although _we_ recommend to have both. If you don't agree feel free to mention only and ID card _or_ a passport which is officially required.
[...] As far as I know there are no different regulations for different ways to cross the border. Brian, are you sure that air and sea travelers will be less impacted than ground travelers? I suggest to verify this information and remove this sentence from the web page if it turns out to be false.
Again, this was written in the context of a US Government communication. Therefore air travelers would already automatically have their documents from inbound international flights while those making trips from other points in Europe may not.
OK, I understand what you mean: that screening is usual while entering a plane. But the difference this summer will be that passengers will also be screened when leaving a plane and entering the country. OTOH, I don't mean anything unusual and different than most countries around the world do so nobody should feel scared.
I think you meant this page as the source of your information: https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/europe-travel-a... Either it has been updated or it never mentioned that the special rules apply to ground travelers more than the air travelers. By the way, this page contains some more useful information so it's worth reading.
While at this I'd like to mention that all travelers may be required to show their passport and other document on a demand from police, Border Guard and also Railroad Guard at random places and random time, not only while crossing border. Police (until 31 August) and Railroad Guard (until 2 August) will be allowed to search the travelers' baggage. I'm sorry if it sounds scary, I hope nobody will be hurt or offended due to these regulations.
Best regards,
Rafal
PS. Thank you Paul for having amended the website already.
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