Clarification regarding schedule for Flock

[inode0]

> From Tom's recent blog I read: 
* inode0 suggested that it would be better if the scheduled part of
Flock ended on the weekend, so we are strongly considering August 7 -
13, 2013 for the dates (August 12 and 13 would be optional "hackfest
days" with no assigned schedule in advance).

I just want to be clear this wasn't my suggestion really. My concern
is that full participation with travel on both ends would require a
contributor in NA to likely take 7 full days of vacation from work to
attend the entire conference. For people coming from other regions it
would probably be even more.

The ideal timing of this from my perspective would be a 7 day block
running Sunday through Saturday, leaving weekend days on both ends for
travel and "only" requiring 5 full days of vacation to attend. That is
still a lot of vacation time but I think it is a lot easier to get one
full week off than it is to get any longer time off.

Anyway, this isn't something I want to nag about or whine and complain
about until it suits me better. I just want to be clear about what my
concern really is. I'm happy to try anything and see how it works.

John

[Peter Robinson]

On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:25 PM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  From Tom's recent blog I read:
>
>  * inode0 suggested that it would be better if the scheduled part of
>  Flock ended on the weekend, so we are strongly considering August 7 -
>  13, 2013 for the dates (August 12 and 13 would be optional "hackfest
>  days" with no assigned schedule in advance).
>
>  I just want to be clear this wasn't my suggestion really. My concern
>  is that full participation with travel on both ends would require a
>  contributor in NA to likely take 7 full days of vacation from work to
>  attend the entire conference. For people coming from other regions it
>  would probably be even more.
>
>  The ideal timing of this from my perspective would be a 7 day block
>  running Sunday through Saturday, leaving weekend days on both ends for
>  travel and "only" requiring 5 full days of vacation to attend. That is
>  still a lot of vacation time but I think it is a lot easier to get one
>  full week off than it is to get any longer time off.
>
>  Anyway, this isn't something I want to nag about or whine and complain
>  about until it suits me better. I just want to be clear about what my
>  concern really is. I'm happy to try anything and see how it works. 
I agree with this sentiment.

Peter

[S.Kemter]

Hi,


and I don't agree. Flying on weekends is much more expensive in and from
Europe. We talk about 100-150€/135-200$ which it would cost more a trip.
Speaking about vacation, hopefully its clear that longer and longer
discussions minimizes the chances to get vacation at this time in August.
July and August are normal vacation times, so you have it to say in
advance. And don't forget ppl that need a visa, that minimizes time around
6 weeks to get it in advance.
The time that is chosen is only 3 months from now so its hard enough, don't
make it harder bring the discussion about the time to an end soon and
publish the date!

It's not about what and how right now, the important thing is only when and
where. Not "possibilities" are from interest, except you want to keep it as
an NA thing.


br gnokii


2013/4/21 Peter Robinson <pbrobinson(a)gmail.com&gt;

>  On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 10:25 PM, inode0 <inode0(a)gmail.com&gt;
> wrote:
>  > From Tom's recent blog I read:
>  >
>  > * inode0 suggested that it would be better if the scheduled part of
>  > Flock ended on the weekend, so we are strongly considering August 7 -
>  > 13, 2013 for the dates (August 12 and 13 would be optional "hackfest
>  > days" with no assigned schedule in advance).
>  >
>  > I just want to be clear this wasn't my suggestion really. My concern
>  > is that full participation with travel on both ends would require a
>  > contributor in NA to likely take 7 full days of vacation from work to
>  > attend the entire conference. For people coming from other regions it
>  > would probably be even more.
>  >
>  > The ideal timing of this from my perspective would be a 7 day block
>  > running Sunday through Saturday, leaving weekend days on both ends for
>  > travel and "only" requiring 5 full days of vacation to attend. That is
>  > still a lot of vacation time but I think it is a lot easier to get one
>  > full week off than it is to get any longer time off.
>  >
>  > Anyway, this isn't something I want to nag about or whine and complain
>  > about until it suits me better. I just want to be clear about what my
>  > concern really is. I'm happy to try anything and see how it works.
>
>  I agree with this sentiment.
>
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[Jaroslav Reznik]

----- Original Message -----
>  From Tom's recent blog I read:
>  
>  * inode0 suggested that it would be better if the scheduled part of
>  Flock ended on the weekend, so we are strongly considering August 7 -
>  13, 2013 for the dates (August 12 and 13 would be optional "hackfest
>  days" with no assigned schedule in advance).
>  
>  I just want to be clear this wasn't my suggestion really. My concern
>  is that full participation with travel on both ends would require a
>  contributor in NA to likely take 7 full days of vacation from work to
>  attend the entire conference. For people coming from other regions it
>  would probably be even more.
>  
>  The ideal timing of this from my perspective would be a 7 day block
>  running Sunday through Saturday, leaving weekend days on both ends for
>  travel and "only" requiring 5 full days of vacation to attend. That is
>  still a lot of vacation time but I think it is a lot easier to get one
>  full week off than it is to get any longer time off.
>  
>  Anyway, this isn't something I want to nag about or whine and complain
>  about until it suits me better. I just want to be clear about what my
>  concern really is. I'm happy to try anything and see how it works. 
The thing is - you can never make everyone happy when you plan such a long
event. If you schedule travelling on weekends, employed people would loose
theirs weekend they are not paid for, even I accept we should take care
more about people who need vacation to attend. Not everyone is so dumb
as I am to spend my PTO days to attend conference where I do my job ;-)

The two last days are optional, from my observation from other week 
long contributor's conferences - only the real hardcore core of people
stays there and productivity suffers too - 7 days is at least for me
too much to concentrate and survive in row... Don't understand it as
we should skip it, it's more like - if it suits you better, you can
probably skip these too as nothing cool usually happens (and maybe
I'm wrong now and in the last two day we all decide to switch to
Ubuntu ;-).

Jaroslav 

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[Ruth Suehle]

Because our most likely venue possibility at this point hinges on their
space availability between orientation and the start of school, we may not
have much wiggle room to discuss. Will update the list as soon as I know
more.

[Tom Callaway]

On 04/22/2013 07:53 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  The two last days are optional, from my observation from other week 
>  long contributor's conferences - only the real hardcore core of people
>  stays there and productivity suffers too - 7 days is at least for me
>  too much to concentrate and survive in row 
Indeed. Really, this is the scheduling layout I'm visualizing:

Day 0: Arrival in afternoon-evening for most people.
Day 1: FPL Keynote, scheduled talks, LUNCH,
workshops/sprints/mini-hackfests (scheduled), then evening fun event
(dinner, movies, games, bowling, something fun)
Day 2: Scheduled talks, LUNCH, workshops/sprints/mini-hackfests
(scheduled), then evening fun event (dinner, movies, games, bowling,
something fun)
Day 3: Social Outing Day
Day 4: Scheduled talks, LUNCH, workshops/sprints/mini-hackfests
(scheduled), then evening fun event (dinner, movies, games, bowling,
something fun)
Day 5: Scheduled talks, LUNCH, workshops/sprints/mini-hackfests
(scheduled), then evening fun event (dinner, movies, games, bowling,
something fun)
Day 6: Optional open hackfests
Day 7: Optional open hackfests

There will be a block for Lightning Talks, I'm thinking maybe at the
beginning of Day 4. I expect a lot of people will bail at the end of Day 5.

So really, this is four days of talks, and I think we want to try to
schedule them in tracks. Suppose that depends on what submissions we get. :)

~tom

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[Jaroslav Reznik]

----- Original Message -----
>  On 04/22/2013 07:53 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  > The two last days are optional, from my observation from other week
>  > long contributor's conferences - only the real hardcore core of people
>  > stays there and productivity suffers too - 7 days is at least for me
>  > too much to concentrate and survive in row
>  
>  Indeed. Really, this is the scheduling layout I'm visualizing:
>  
>  Day 0: Arrival in afternoon-evening for most people.
>  Day 1: FPL Keynote, scheduled talks, LUNCH,
>  workshops/sprints/mini-hackfests (scheduled), then evening fun event
>  (dinner, movies, games, bowling, something fun)
>  Day 2: Scheduled talks, LUNCH, workshops/sprints/mini-hackfests
>  (scheduled), then evening fun event (dinner, movies, games, bowling,
>  something fun)
>  Day 3: Social Outing Day
>  Day 4: Scheduled talks, LUNCH, workshops/sprints/mini-hackfests
>  (scheduled), then evening fun event (dinner, movies, games, bowling,
>  something fun)
>  Day 5: Scheduled talks, LUNCH, workshops/sprints/mini-hackfests
>  (scheduled), then evening fun event (dinner, movies, games, bowling,
>  something fun)
>  Day 6: Optional open hackfests
>  Day 7: Optional open hackfests 
Another thing I'd like to see scheduled in advance to a specific time, 
are Board(/FESCo?) meetings, propagated and if possible - without collisions.
And make sure people who are not present should be able to join at least
online.

Jaroslav

>  ~tom
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[Tom Callaway]

On 04/23/2013 11:23 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:

>  Another thing I'd like to see scheduled in advance to a specific
> time, 
>  are Board(/FESCo?) meetings, propagated and if possible - without collisions.
>  And make sure people who are not present should be able to join at least
>  online. 
Yes, I like that idea. I think we should try to get as many people as
possible from the core committees and have them meet openly at Flock. :)

~tom

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[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 04/23/2013 11:34 AM, Tom Callaway wrote:
>  On 04/23/2013 11:23 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  
> > Another thing I'd like to see scheduled in advance to a specific
> > time, are Board(/FESCo?) meetings, propagated and if possible -
> > without collisions. And make sure people who are not present
> > should be able to join at least online.
>  
>  Yes, I like that idea. I think we should try to get as many people
>  as possible from the core committees and have them meet openly at
>  Flock. :)
>   
For those that cannot attend (both committee and community), perhaps
we could arrange for such meetings to be broadcast as a Google Hangout
as well?

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[Tom Callaway]

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On 05/01/2013 03:06 PM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  On 04/23/2013 11:34 AM, Tom Callaway wrote:
> > On 04/23/2013 11:23 AM, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
>  
> >> Another thing I'd like to see scheduled in advance to a
> >> specific time, are Board(/FESCo?) meetings, propagated and if
> >> possible - without collisions. And make sure people who are not
> >> present should be able to join at least online.
>  
> > Yes, I like that idea. I think we should try to get as many
> > people as possible from the core committees and have them meet
> > openly at Flock. :)
>  
>  
>  For those that cannot attend (both committee and community),
>  perhaps we could arrange for such meetings to be broadcast as a
>  Google Hangout as well? 
We should have video streaming for all of our talks, I'm not sure if
it will be a Google Hangout (I'm not excited about that specific
technology), but if that's what the community wants, I'll do my best
to make it happen. :)

~tom

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