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Summary: [ro] Fonts in distribution contains incorrect glyphs for Romanian language
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448289
nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net changed:
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------- Additional Comments From nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net 2008-05-28 18:34 EST -------
(In reply to comment #8)
> As far as I know, the keyboard maps for Romanian were recently fixed and should
> land in Fedora from upstream. Please see
> http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13277
>
> In the meantime, *until* the kbd fix shows up,
The kbd fix probably does not matter. IIRC the plan for F10 is to kill kbd and
generate console layouts from xkb-config data
> - [fonts] make sure that all Unicode fonts that can be used for Romanian
> language (basically, the Latin2 subsets) contain the comma-below glyphs. (For
> me, it is not so obvious *which font packages are involved*, otherwise I'll
open bugs directly on them);
It's pretty useless to open bugs on fonts. We've spent a lot of energy kicking
non-modifiable fonts from Fedora and getting recent font tools such as fontforge
in. So interested people should just submit fixed fonts upstream instead of
waiting for someone else to fix them.
Identifying fonts can be done this way
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/QA#Identifying_fonts
> - [anaconda] *after* the font issue is fixed, anaconda should set an
appropriate default font for Romanian,
As other explained Fedora default X11 fonts are already fine. So there is
nothing to do X11-side. Terminal-side someone should just fix latarcyrheb which
is the usual default everyone gets. Then no special selection logic will be
needed at all.
> So I'm changing this to distribution again.
This is pretty useless. Fix the problems one by one or at least report them
one-by-one (*upstream*). Multi-issue "distribution" bugs just go nowhere.
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Summary: [ro] Fonts in distribution contains incorrect glyphs for Romanian language
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------- Additional Comments From razvan.sandu(a)mobexpert.ro 2008-05-28 16:56 EST -------
Regarding comment #4:
Bill, I don't think this historical bug should be assigned to kbd, since it will
go to a dead end - probably be forgotten. Here's why:
As far as I know, the keyboard maps for Romanian were recently fixed and should
land in Fedora from upstream. Please see
http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13277
In the meantime, *until* the kbd fix shows up, we need to fix other aspects,
involving more than one component of the Fedora distro - in this logical order:
- [fonts] make sure that all Unicode fonts that can be used for Romanian
language (basically, the Latin2 subsets) contain the comma-below glyphs. (For
me, it is not so obvious *which font packages are involved*, otherwise I'll open
bugs directly on them);
- [anaconda] *after* the font issue is fixed, anaconda should set an appropriate
default font for Romanian, when Romanian language is selected during install.
For the moment, the Terminus font can be used (the terminus-font-console and
terminus-font-x11 packages);
- [system-config-language] *after* the font issue is fixed, s-c-l should set an
appropriate default font for Romanian, when Romanian language is selected as
system language. For the moment, the Terminus font can be used (the
terminus-font-console and terminus-font-x11 packages);
- [system-config-keyboard] *after* the font and the kbd issues are fixed, s-c-k
should present the user the opportunity to choose from *at least two* layouts
for Romanian keyboard, corresponding to the Primary and the Secondary
arrangements in the national standard (Secondary being the default). Please see
the separate bug #337271 .
(Hint: These two keyboard arrangements correspond to Romanian [Programmers]
(Secondary) and Romanian [Standard] in Windows Vista).
So I'm changing this to distribution again.
Thanks A LOT,
Răzvan
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Summary: [ro] Fonts in distribution contains incorrect glyphs for Romanian language
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------- Additional Comments From alexxed(a)gmail.com 2008-05-28 15:32 EST -------
(In reply to comment #6)
> (In reply to comment #5)
> > The question I have, is: do Romanian users expect that when they use
> > U+015E-U+015F and U+0162-U+0163, they get comma below instead of cedilla?
>
> No, they don't expect this behaviour.
> Here is an image with all the fonts available in Fedora that provide the cedilla
> characters
Sorry, I meant the comma characters. The s and t with cedilla is availalbe in
almost any font.
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------- Additional Comments From alexxed(a)gmail.com 2008-05-28 15:31 EST -------
(In reply to comment #5)
> The question I have, is: do Romanian users expect that when they use
> U+015E-U+015F and U+0162-U+0163, they get comma below instead of cedilla?
No, they don't expect this behaviour.
Here is an image with all the fonts available in Fedora that provide the cedilla
characters: http://www.alexxed.com/node/78 . The count is 4, that is the
problem, and this bug should be filed agains each font that doesn't have those
glyphs imho.
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Summary: [ro] Fonts in distribution contains incorrect glyphs for Romanian language
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448289
------- Additional Comments From bl.bugs(a)gmail.com 2008-05-28 14:44 EST -------
The default font (DejaVu) currently has the correct glyphs. If you'd use the
good glyphs in your pdf you'd see most of the fonts with the comma below since
the majority of the fonts you have in that pdf also don't have the cedilla
glyphs either and they're falling back on DejaVu.
The question I have, is: do Romanian users expect that when they use
U+015E-U+015F and U+0162-U+0163, they get comma below instead of cedilla?
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Summary: [ro] Fonts in distribution contains incorrect glyphs for Romanian language
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------- Additional Comments From notting(a)redhat.com 2008-05-28 14:11 EST -------
Assigning to kbd, then.
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