[Bug 431608] New: accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

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Summary: accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off
                    writing hebrew texts
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: low
          Priority: low
         Component: fonts-hebrew
        AssignedTo: [e-mail]
        ReportedBy: [e-mail]
         QAContact: [e-mail]
                CC: [e-mail]

Description of problem:
I am using Open Office (but not related to it, as far as I can tell) to write
some text in Hebrew language with accents and punctuations.

I get the punctuation marks off the right place in which they suppose to be.

It works fine with several Open-Type fonts (Ezra SIL, Deja Vu...) so I guess it
is an issue with the internals of the font itself ?

(I hope I filed a bug report in the right place ;-)

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):

How reproducible:
I can send a pdf or screen shot if it can help

Steps to Reproduce:
1.write some punctuated Hebrew text in OpenOffice Writer
2.apply the Liberation Sans font to the text
3.

Actual results:
punctuation is off the font's position

Expected results:
punctuation should be under the respective font in which it was typed for.

Additional info:

[Bug 431608] accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

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Summary: accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431608

------- Additional Comments From [e-mail]  2008-02-13 07:11 EST -------
i've just downloaded "fontmatrix" and "fontforge" and found out that liberation
fonts does not have Hebrew glyphs implemented at all :-(

i was actually getting another font instead of liberation when i choose it in
Writer (Open Office) and i didn't know.

so... maybe we could close this bug and open a different one.
"please add hebrew glyphs to liberation fonts" with the same font quality of
DejaVu or Ezra SIL ? what do you say ?

[Bug 431608] accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

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Summary: accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431608

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------- Additional Comments From [e-mail]  2008-02-13 19:01 EST -------
Ok, so what was the name of the Hebrew font you saw in Openoffice?

A screenshot might help.

[Bug 431608] accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

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Summary: accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431608

------- Additional Comments From [e-mail]  2008-02-13 19:04 EST -------
> maybe we could close this bug and open a different one.

I think we can continue discussing in this bug.
> "please add hebrew glyphs to liberation fonts" with the same font quality of
> DejaVu or Ezra SIL ? what do you say ?

Adding hebrew to liberation-fonts may be a lot of work, but if someone is
able to contribute suitable glyphs it might possible I guess.
Do the equivalent commercial fonts cover Hebrew?

[Bug 431608] accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

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Summary: accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=431608

------- Additional Comments From [e-mail]  2008-02-14 13:49 EST -------
i have looked into the way OpenOffice uses fonts
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Font-FAQ)
made some debug tests with the FontConfig system
and found out that since i have msttcorefonts package installed
i get missing Hebrew Glyphs in Liberation Sans being replace with 
parallel glyphs from Ariel (MS font).

according to "http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Font-FAQ" 
i can control this replacement at a system wide level - fontconfig

or OO system wide level - 
$INSTALL/openoffice/share/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu 
default font replacement setting

or from the OO interface "Tools >> Options >> Fonts >> FRT"

i talked to OOo people which told me TTF are less discriptive as regarding to
punctuation marks and positioning them in a text line then OpenType fonts and
that i should use OTF as much as i can.

which means that Ariel TTF is probably OK but not good for Hebrew punctuation
marks in OO. (OOo has a bug-report for improving the handling of ttf more
completely)

so let's close this one out :-)

i will talk to the Culmus (free hebrew fonts) people and see if it is possible
to get their Hebrew glyphs and use them in Liberation. dimension-wise and
legal-wise.

:-)

[Bug 431608] accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

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Summary: accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

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------- Additional Comments From [e-mail]  2008-02-14 19:48 EST -------
Ok, thanks for the information.  If you find a problem when using
culmus, dejavu or other free fonts with Hebrew glyphs, please reopen
or file another bug.

[Bug 431608] accents and punctuations in Liberation fonts are off writing hebrew texts

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