[Bug 843202] New: Please stop renaming the font

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Bug ID: 843202
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           Version: 17
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           Summary: Please stop renaming the font
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    Classification: Fedora
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              Type: Bug
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            Status: NEW
         Component: linux-libertine-fonts
           Product: Fedora

In Fedora, the "main" font of this package is named "Linux Libertine".
Presumably through a fontconfig file.

If you run any other distribution (or OS) and download the fonts from upstream
or somewhere else, they are named "Linux Libertine O".

This is bad, because for example Libreoffice will record the Fedora-only "Linux
Libertine" and it will look wrong to others, even if they got the font.

I propose changing the name to "Linux Libertine O" and adding an alias for the
old name, as not to break things for Fedora users.

I think the same applies to the Biolinum font, but I haven't checked that

(iirc this has been the case for all versions that I know)

[Bug 843202] Please stop renaming the font

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Akira TAGOH  changed:

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             Status|NEW                         |CLOSED
         Resolution|---                         |NOTABUG
        Last Closed|                            |2012-07-26 00:57:00

--- Comment #1 from Akira TAGOH  ---
In the latest version, 5.3.0, upstream takes that naming now. so this isn't a
bug.

[Bug 843202] Please stop renaming the font

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--- Comment #2 from Nicolas Mailhot  ---
BTW it is totally normal that a Linux system will prefer the OTF variant, and
that a windows system will prefer a TTF variant. So distros that do not map the
linux-preferred name to the windows-preferred one when saving break compat with
the bulk of libreoffice's users

And regardless of the name stored in documents, any good distro should alias
the font names it does not ship to the font names it does ship, to provide
transparent fallback to its users.

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--- Comment #3 from Benedikt Morbach  ---
(In reply to comment #1)
> In the latest version, 5.3.0, upstream takes that naming now. so this isn't
> a bug.

Sorry if I sound confused here, but I downloaded the OTF Version because I
thought that is superior and should be used (the upstream website seems to
suggest that), but the names are as I said.

(In reply to comment #2)

I agree that this is mainly a Windows <--> Linux problem, because I don't know
a way to do font aliases on Windows.

LibreOffice (checked 3.5.5) ships a variant of this font, but it is called
"Linux Libertine G".
This is incompatible with the Fedora naming, so users have to download the font
from the website anyway, if they want to exchange documents.

Why exactly do you want TTF on Windows?
My impression was that OTF would support more features, such as smallcaps,
alternates or ligatures (as seen here:
http://www.linuxlibertine.org/index.php?id=87&L=1 ).
So I don't see a reason to prefer the TTF variant over the OTF variant.

I suggest to use the "Linux Libertine O" name for future releases.

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--- Comment #4 from Nicolas Mailhot  ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> (In reply to comment #1)
> > In the latest version, 5.3.0, upstream takes that naming now. so this isn't
> > a bug.
>
> Sorry if I sound confused here, but I downloaded the OTF Version because I
> thought that is superior and should be used (the upstream website seems to
> suggest that), but the names are as I said.

We should defintely use the otf variant on Linux
> (In reply to comment #2)
>
> I agree that this is mainly a Windows <--> Linux problem, because I don't
> know a way to do font aliases on Windows.
>
> LibreOffice (checked 3.5.5) ships a variant of this font, but it is called
> "Linux Libertine G".
> This is incompatible with the Fedora naming, so users have to download the
> font from the website anyway, if they want to exchange documents.

Then we should alias the G variant if we do not do it yet. That's a package bug
> Why exactly do you want TTF on Windows?
> My impression was that OTF would support more features

Those are OpenType properties not OTF properties. TTF and OTF are both OpenType
containers nowadays.

Windows wants TTF container because it's the historical Windows font format and
OTF is badly supported in at least older Windows versions

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--- Comment #5 from Nicolas Mailhot  ---
reopening as it seems some of the numerous font names libertine uses in the
wild are not properly aliased Fedora-side

(fontname G seems to be shipped with some libreoffice versions, no idea how
much it differs from upstream)

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--- Comment #6 from Akira TAGOH  ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> Why exactly do you want TTF on Windows?
> My impression was that OTF would support more features, such as smallcaps,
> alternates or ligatures (as seen here:
> http://www.linuxlibertine.org/index.php?id=87&L=1 ).
> So I don't see a reason to prefer the TTF variant over the OTF variant.

just followed up on upstream's description to update the package:
“TTF” in file name
contains the fonts in MS TrueType-format. Best choice for use on screen.
“OTF” in file name
contains the fonts in Adobe OTF(CFF)-format. Best choice for printing. Perhaps
best and smallest font format at all.

We could have both version of fonts in the package though, using different
family name between displaying and printing sounds not a good idea. this would
means people can't seamlessly print something out like what they see on their
monitor. also we have a fallback rule for Linux Libertine O. even if you have
any documents that created on the system that Linux Libertine O has, it should
be displayed with Linux Libertine on Fedora.

Actually what you are proposing isn't so different at that point. just assuming
one uses OTF version. so what if assuming one uses TTF version then?

Well, if we prefer OTF version, I could update with it but it looks like TTF
version has been downloaded more than OTF version. so I assume "Linux
Libertine" one is a bit major name around this font maybe.

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--- Comment #7 from Nicolas Mailhot  ---
> just followed up on upstream's description to update the package:
> “TTF” in file name
> contains the fonts in MS TrueType-format. Best choice for use on screen.
> “OTF” in file name
> contains the fonts in Adobe OTF(CFF)-format. Best choice for printing. Perhaps > best and smallest font format at all.

That's just an euphenism to say 'if you are under windows, use the TTF variant,
if you are under any of the other systems with correct OTF support, use the OTF
one)

Just IMHO, of course, the difference between ITF and OTF are blurring away, and
they are mostly equivalent nowadays feature-wise. What is not equivalent are
TTF-oriented code stacks (common under windows) and PS-priented stacks (common
for Adobe & Linux apps)

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--- Comment #8 from Akira TAGOH  ---
I see. anyway, updated fontconfig rules for more substitution on git:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=linux-libertine-fonts.git

I'll also update the package with OTF then.

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--- Comment #9 from Nicolas Mailhot  ---
Just FYI: the G in the libreoffice variant means graphite, Libreoffice added
graphite instructions to their libertine fork (because libreoffice does not
support opentype properly yet, but SIL contributed graphite support)

However, it seems this work was not upstreamed so they are going to lag
libertine changes. And as opentype support improves in libreoffice, the
graphite extentions will matter less and less.

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--- Comment #10 from Fedora Update System  ---
linux-libertine-fonts-5.3.0-2.2012_07_02.fc17 has been submitted as an update
for Fedora 17.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-11072/linux-libertine-fo...

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--- Comment #11 from Fedora Update System  ---
linux-libertine-fonts-5.3.0-2.2012_07_02.fc16 has been submitted as an update
for Fedora 16.
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-11030/linux-libertine-fo...

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--- Comment #12 from Fedora Update System  ---
Package linux-libertine-fonts-5.3.0-2.2012_07_02.fc16:
* should fix your issue,
* was pushed to the Fedora 16 testing repository,
* should be available at your local mirror within two days.
Update it with:
# su -c 'yum update --enablerepo=updates-testing
linux-libertine-fonts-5.3.0-2.2012_07_02.fc16'
as soon as you are able to.
Please go to the following url:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-11030/linux-libertine-fo...
then log in and leave karma (feedback).

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             Status|ON_QA                       |CLOSED
         Resolution|---                         |ERRATA
        Last Closed|2012-07-26 00:57:00         |2012-08-09 18:48:22

--- Comment #13 from Fedora Update System  ---
linux-libertine-fonts-5.3.0-2.2012_07_02.fc16 has been pushed to the Fedora 16
stable repository.  If problems still persist, please make note of it in this
bug report.

[Bug 843202] Please stop renaming the font

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--- Comment #14 from Fedora Update System  ---
linux-libertine-fonts-5.3.0-2.2012_07_02.fc17 has been pushed to the Fedora 17
stable repository.  If problems still persist, please make note of it in this
bug report.