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Summary: Undisplayable glyphs on Wikipedia
Product: Fedora
Version: 9
Platform: All
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
Severity: medium
Priority: low
Component: pango
AssignedTo: besfahbo(a)redhat.com
ReportedBy: beland(a)alum.mit.edu
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I did a fresh installation of Fedora 9 using the network install method and
adding Office/Productivity software in addition to the default set. I'm seeing
undisplayable glyphs on the following pages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuation#Unicode
http://www.wikipedia.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet#Encoding
I would expect a default installation to be able to display all glyphs that
appear in Wikipedia, so that readers can learn about them. Many non-English
glyphs, even fairly obscure ones, are displayed properly, which is excellent.
It would be nice to finish off the rest. I don't know if this is a flaw in
Pango, if I would need to install additional font RPMs, or something else.
This is with firefox-3.0-1.fc9.i386 and pango-1.20.4-1.fc9.i386.
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------- Additional Comments From besfahbo(a)redhat.com 2008-07-16 08:57 EST -------
I would expect a default installation to be able to display all
glyphs that
appear in Wikipedia
Well, Wikipedia will always have characters that cannot be displayed. Simply
because it's always over the edge of what Unicode encodes, while a stable distro
is a bit behind that.
Anyway, font issue.
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------- Additional Comments From bl.bugs(a)gmail.com 2008-07-16 09:06 EST -------
We gladly accept patches for more glyphs at DejaVu :-) But I don't see us
having a script like Phoenician really...
But I even doubt you could find a Free font for each glyph in Unicode.
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DejaVu only accepts modern scripts like Ogham ;)
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------- Additional Comments From besfahbo(a)redhat.com 2008-07-16 09:25 EST -------
Let me also note that we are working on a feature for F10 or more realistically
F11 to have a notification box pop up and suggest installing a font whenever a
character cannot be displayed. That may well "fix" this bug.
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------- Additional Comments From beland(a)alum.mit.edu 2008-07-16 10:46 EST -------
So I take it I can't solve this problem temporarily by just installing some
additional RPMs?
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------- Additional Comments From bl.bugs(a)gmail.com 2008-07-16 11:00 EST -------
I guess you can install a lot of fonts for all kinds of script to solve it for
most scripts. For Phoenician, look at the Aegean font at
http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/ for example (no idea if there are rpms
available in Fedora). But don't expect to get *all* glyphs from Unicode (which
defines approximately 100000 different characters) covered by your fonts.
In the mean time, I don't really see much point in distributing fonts for
scripts like Phoenician by default...
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------- Additional Comments From besfahbo(a)redhat.com 2008-07-16 11:10 EST -------
also check latest version of "freefont sans"
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(In reply to comment #6)
I guess you can install a lot of fonts for all kinds of script to
solve it for
most scripts. For Phoenician, look at the Aegean font at
http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/ for example (no idea if there are rpms
available in Fedora).
They're not. New Fedora font packagers are of course welcome.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ancient_Scripts_fonts
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--- Comment #10 from Christopher Beland <beland(a)alum.mit.edu> 2009-06-12 21:20:11
EDT ---
I believe this is the new feature that was mentioned:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutoFontsAndMimeInstaller
With Fedora 11 and firefox-3.5-0.20.beta4.fc11.x86_64, I'm still seeing
undisplayable glyphs at:
http://www.wikipedia.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet#Encoding
I didn't get any popup or anything saying that an additional font was necessary
to display these glyphs; shouldn't I have?
I Googled "freefont sans", but it's unclear to me what I'm supposed to
be
looking for, Behdad.
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--- Comment #11 from Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net> 2009-06-13
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(In reply to comment #10)
I believe this is the new feature that was mentioned:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/AutoFontsAndMimeInstaller
This feature mostly works for gnome-based apps nowadays. Not sure what firefox
uses. You should ask in
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467729
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--- Comment #12 from Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net> 2009-06-13
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Moving to Firefox component as we do have fonts supporting Phœnician in the
distro nowadays so it should plug in the autofonts install framework and
propose to install them
(@ben: adding Phœnician to dejavu would be nice though)
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--- Comment #13 from Matej Cepl <mcepl(a)redhat.com> 2009-06-25 18:07:16 EDT ---
The only language which doesn't work for me out of the box on www.wikipedia.org
is http://cu.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (which is Old Church Slavonic ... the language
has not been actively used since 13th Century).
bradford:~$ rpm -qa \*deja\* firefox xulrunner
dejavu-sans-fonts-2.29-2.fc11.noarch
xulrunner-1.9.1-0.20.beta4.fc11.x86_64
dejavu-sans-mono-fonts-2.29-2.fc11.noarch
dejavu-fonts-common-2.29-2.fc11.noarch
dejavu-serif-fonts-2.29-2.fc11.noarch
firefox-3.5-0.20.beta4.fc11.x86_64
bradford:~$
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--- Comment #14 from Matej Cepl <mcepl(a)redhat.com> 2009-06-25 18:11:15 EDT ---
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The only language which doesn't work for me out of the box on
www.wikipedia.org
is http://cu.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (which is Old Church Slavonic ... the language
has not been actively used since 13th Century).
Sorry, 11th Century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Church_Slavonic :)
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--- Comment #15 from Alexey Torkhov <atorkhov(a)gmail.com> 2009-06-30 14:38:14 EDT
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(In reply to comment #13)
> The only language which doesn't work for me out of the box on www.wikipedia.org
> is http://cu.wikipedia.org/wiki/ (which is Old Church Slavonic ... the language
> has not been actively used since 13th Century).
Sorry, 11th Century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Church_Slavonic :)
Nah, this is Church Slavonic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Slavonic),
was used until 17th century and is still used today in church :)
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--- Comment #16 from Matej Cepl <mcepl(a)redhat.com> 2009-07-04 10:35:53 EDT ---
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Nah, this is Church Slavonic
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Slavonic),
was used until 17th century and is still used today in church :)
OK, I stand corrected, but still I think it is not an issue of Firefox.
Changing component to the i18n to decide which languages we want to support in
Fedora, per default or what to do about this part of Wikipedia.
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--- Comment #17 from Jens Petersen <petersen(a)redhat.com> 2009-07-06 02:57:56 EDT
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I don't see any serious problems here with recent Fedora releases.
No we don't have 100% coverage of wikipedia and probably won't
any time soon, but the default font coverage is now good enough
IMHO for most major languages that we can support.
If you want even better support best way is to contribute/
package free fonts and get them reviewed: the Fonts SIG
is there to assist with that. :)
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