fonts July 2008

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[Fwd: the ivory tower and the bazaar]
by Nicolas Mailhot 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

-------- Message transféré -------- De: Gustavo Ferreira À: fedora-fonts-list-request Sujet: the ivory tower and the bazaar Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:38:59 -0300 On Jul 20, 2008, at 2:50 PM, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > If the free/open font scene was striving Red Hat needn't have > shelled a > lot of money to a closed foundry like Ascender. Or the GNOME > Foundation > needn't have done the same with Bitstream for Vera. Experience > shows it > is very possible to extend a font with little coverage to more than > decent one but it requires making a lot of noise around unfinished > font > cores with correct licensing to get someone interested. And you don't > get there via traditionnal ivory tower isolated font designer > workflow. i have yet to see one good, original, well-made typeface developed in the bazaar way. can you name one? also, please don't be ungrateful to the "isolated ivory-tower designer workflow", since it has produced the best foss-fonts out there. i challenge the "free & open font crowd" to promote free/open fonts on the basis of their typographic quality, without appealing to below- the-belt demonization of "proprietary designers" and "proprietary tools". > Teams was released in 2000 by TopTeam. It took 8 years before someone > picked it up and started updating it (Edrip). Have Debian (and other > distributions, sadly Fedora not included) wasted their time by > publishing Teams for 8 years in its poor state? If they hadn't I > strongly suspect Edrip would not have happened. > > We're seeding our future. Those things take time, a lot of time. > And the > future will happen faster if people stop putting their heads in the > sand, wasting time on proprietary fonts or font tools, and get to > work. > During this year's LGM a concerted effort created a new nicely > licensed > font from an old fossilizing one in a few days. Just a few years ago > this would have been complete science fiction. do you mean NotCourier Sans? i don't dislike the result, but let's be honest about it -- chopping off serifs from an existing font is not really type-design... cheers, - gustavo. -- Nicolas Mailhot

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[Fwd: Re: the ivory tower and the bazaar]
by Nicolas Mailhot 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

-------- Message transféré -------- De: Nicolas Mailhot À: Gustavo Ferreira Sujet: Re: the ivory tower and the bazaar Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:11:45 +0200 Le dimanche 20 juillet 2008 à 20:38 -0300, Gustavo Ferreira a écrit : > i have yet to see one good, original, well-made typeface developed in > the bazaar way. can you name one? You assume I want original. While original is good it's very low in my priorities. Ivory tower design is very good at producing pretty fonts limited to basic latin that are effectively unuseable in an internationalized world. Well, I don't care about this kind of pureblood. I'll take a good unexhalted workhorse over it any day (and that's a generalisation, not every ivory tower font is so limited but most of them are). Give me gcc's, not proprietary compilers that look great in benchmarks but can only do what their original authors cared about. Pretending fonts can not be produced collectively is pure ubris. Their art is not more elevated than Renaissance paintings where offloading a large part of the work to apprentices was common. It's not more elevated than all the cathedrals that were produced by large teams over several lifetimes. And local designers are better at designing their glyphs than someone in an ivory tower the other side of the world anyway. And yes open collective design is not there yet. But it's progressing and I've no doubt he'll suprise a lot of people in a few years. -- Nicolas Mailhot

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Fwd: [Fontforge-devel] Cannot import GSUB .fea file
by Vasile Gaburici 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

The 2nd patch attached here may of interest to anyone that is working on adding locl tags. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Williams <gww(a)silcom.com> Date: Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:54 AM Subject: Re: [Fontforge-devel] Cannot import GSUB .fea file To: gaburici(a)cs.umd.edu Cc: fontforge-devel(a)lists.sourceforge.net On Sat, 2008-07-19 at 17:35, Vasile Gaburici wrote: > I exported a GSUB table to a .fea file and edited it there. But > importing back doesn't work. When I click on the "Import" right above > "Save Feature File" nothing happens. That's not what import is supposed to do. It should not have been enabled then. Here's a patch to fix it. > I guess a dialog box should pop up... Only when it can actually import something. Which it can't here. > BTW, this is the only reasonable alternative to mindlessly clicking on > each table when a new language is added (the font is Linux Libertine, > so it has 20 or so tables). Ah, good point. Here's another patch to add a language to all selected lookups with a given script.

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I tested Legendum and Garogier
by Vasile Gaburici 20 Jul '08

20 Jul '08

Including them in Fedora would be a bad idea. They lack plenty of accented glyphs. Since the fonts are unmaintained, they aren't likely to be fixed upstream. Legendum has two flavors: a "legacy" one, which has some accented glyphs, but not enough, and a the "non-legacy" which doesn't have any. The "legacy" version has been generated from the "non-legacy" one by a tool (otlegacy part of otcomp). To my eyes some of the accents aren't positioned optimally.

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Re: [Fontconfig] Is code point substitution inside the same font possible with fontconfing?
by Vasile Gaburici 20 Jul '08

20 Jul '08

Speaking of the type-1 fonts, I see there is a project to update them to newer formats:[http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/freefont/], which also has a wikipedia page at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_UCS_Outline_Fonts] But it looks like the project ran out of steam. Am I guessing correctly? On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net> wrote: > Le samedi 19 juillet 2008 à 23:00 +0300, Vasile Gaburici a écrit : >> Briefly, I want to alter the code point of a request before passing it >> to the font library (freetype2 in my case). The recoding that needs to >> happen is from U+021A/B to U+162/3. This is quite useful for new >> Romanian documents rendered with old/free Type-1 fonts (details here: >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks/Ro_fonts#Type-1_fonts_need_an_add…) > > See also http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:L10N/Tasks/Ro_fonts > > -- > Nicolas Mailhot >

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New front: khmeros-fonts
by Michal Nowak 15 Jul '08

15 Jul '08

Greetingz list! New fonts to fedora just arrived: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/pending/khmeros-fonts-5.0-3.fc9 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F8/pending/khmeros-fonts-5.0-3.fc8 """ The Khmer OS fonts include Khmer and Latin alphabets, and they have equivalent sizes for Khmer and English alphabets, so that when texts mix both it is not necessary to have different point sizes for the text in each language. """ Thanks a lot for big help, Nicolas! Michal

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Re: liberation-fonts 1.04 released.
by Caius Carlos CHANCE 14 Jul '08

14 Jul '08

Hi Dave, Thank you very much for your email. I do appreciate your concern on this font set. IMHO, section 1b requires hardware manufacturer to provide source of these fonts (or modified edition) that they included in their hardware products, as well as to provide the owner of those hardware products to modify and reinstall the reinstalled copy. This is actually an extra protection to consumers when some hardware manufacturers might utilize open sources software (in this case, fonts) but trying to stay away from trouble by stating that any hacking activities on their products will void the warranty. Personally, despite of differences from original text of GPL, this exception is an enhancement instead of regression to human society. As my personal understanding, Red Hat is the intelligent property owner of Liberation Fonts (Ascender is original manufacturer FYI). It should not be recognized as breakage of GPL clauses because RH is the initial party who release the fonts from commercial to "open source/free" for the public. It is more appropriate to define the license as "a GPL based license with customized modification for better user/developer protections on font-form software" rather than a broken GPL. Yes, personally I would say this is not a GPL, nor a broken GPL, but more like a new license. Hence, it is highly recommended for anyone who is going to utilize Liberation Fonts thoughtfully analysis all contents on both COPYING and License.txt in advance, just like read a brand new license. Hope this info helps. BTW, Debian package maintainers have approved Liberation Fonts as valid for inclusion in version 1.04.beta2 already. Wish you enjoyable developing. Best Regards, Caius. ----- "Dave Crossland" <dave(a)lab6.com>さんが書いたメッセージ： > 2008/7/13 Caius Chance <cchance(a)redhat.com>: > > > > liberation-fonts version 1.04 has been released: > > Section 1b of the license.txt remains; this suggests that the fonts > are unredistributable under GPL Section 7's "liberty or death" clause > :-( > > Dave -- Caius Carlos Chance < cchance AT redhat DOT com > Red Hat APAC | http://apac.redhat.com/disclaimer/

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liberation-fonts 1.04 released.
by Caius Carlos CHANCE 13 Jul '08

13 Jul '08

Hi, liberation-fonts version 1.04 has been released: https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liberation-fonts/liberation-fonts-1.0… https://fedorahosted.org/releases/l/i/liberation-fonts/liberation-fonts-1.0… Thank you for your support. Please feel free to submit bug reports or feature requests to this Trac or Red Hat Bugzilla. Best Regards, Caius. -- Caius Carlos Chance < cchance AT redhat DOT com > Red Hat APAC | http://apac.redhat.com/disclaimer/

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fonts package naming guideline
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 11 Jul '08

11 Jul '08

Nicolas brought up the point recently in a font package review that we should standardize the naming of our fonts packages to improve consistency. The proposal is to name all source packages in the form "*-fonts". If we agree on this then I think the Fonts Packaging guidelines should be updated to explicitly reflect this policy. Here is a list of our source packages that do not currently end in "-fonts": These old fonts packages should be renamed I guess: fonts-ISO8859-2 -> ISO8859-2-fonts? fonts-KOI8-R -> KOI-R-fonts? This should probably change: fonts-hebrew-fancy -> fancy-fonts? (from culmus.sf.net) thaifonts-scalable (upstream name) -> thai-scalable-fonts? The following are already in the process of disappearing from rawhide: fonts-arabic - pending removal fonts-hebrew -recent devel dead.package fonts-japanese - renamed to japanese-bitmap-fonts today A few others (*font*): efont-unicode-bdf -> unicode-bdf-fonts? (maybe better to replace with GNU Unifont?) freefont (maybe this too?) terminus-font -> terminus-fonts? 3, TeX fonts Probably TeX fonts are outside this discussion?: (tetex-fonts-hebrew, tex-fonts-hebrew, tetex-eurofont, tetex-font-cm-lgc, tetex-font-kerkis) Did I miss any? :) Jens

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Engadget, Essays1743, Isabella, Rockets, and StayPuft fonts.
by Lyos Gemini Norezel 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

Greetings all... I have just submitted a package with all 5 of the fonts mentioned in the subject line. The review request is listed here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454128 This is my first package, so I am looking for a sponsor. Feedback is always appreciated. Lyos Gemini Norezel

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