What are the measured DNS response times that you're seeing and are cloudflares and google's response times in accordance with the recommended times.

Any DNS query needs to allow at least a response time to the other side of the planet and then some. There are some recommended values in some RFC's using a metric based on the number of servers etc.

I don't think that Google and cloudflare honour these conventions which is unfortunate.

Kind Regards

-----Original Message-----
From: Harry G. Coin via FreeIPA-users <freeipa-users@lists.fedorahosted.org>
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Cc: Harry G. Coin <hgcoin@gmail.com>
Subject: [Freeipa-users] Re: Dnssec rejected by Cloudflair, Google, accepted by Verizon, AT&T
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2022 12:20:50 -0500

TL;Dr:  Freeipa's DNS (especially with dnssec enabled) can appear to be 
working well and pass accuracy tests, yet generate failures depending on 
the client's dns provider's response timeout settings.  You can tell 
whether you're as 'online as you think you are' using this tool:  
https://dnschecker.org/


Freeipa's dns response latency times are near the timeout/give-up bubble 
of some of the world largest public / semi-public DNS resolvers.  When 
'over time', these large companies report the freeipa web sites & 
related services do not exist.  DNS resolvers in use by those 'near to' 
the host generally have better timing generally and so give the 
appearance of working.

Without DNSSEC enabled, the packet sizes and processing requirements are 
less, so most services on the same continent as the host operate as 
expected.  Enabling DNSSec adds enough so that even the 'more local' dns 
resolvers time out/report error -- and without notice to the freeipa 
hosting organization.   Cloudflare and Google in North America 'worked' 
without dnssec in my case, but failed more often than it worked with 
DNSSEC enabled.

I think the problem is the latency involved in the orchestration between 
bind9 and dirsrv/ldap.  Work arounds include "throwing faster computers 
at it" and/or pointing internet NS records at slave resolvers that don't 
depend on interprocess communications.

Hope this helps other folks.

Harry Coin


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