Internal vs External CA

[Kristian Petersen]

Hey y'all,

What are the pros and cons of using and external or internal CA for
FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to do but having trouble finding
a lot of info about why I would want to do one or the other.

Thanks in advance!

-- 
Kristian Petersen
System Administrator
BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry

[François Cami]

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users
<freeipa-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org&gt; wrote:
>  Hey y'all,
>
>  What are the pros and cons of using and external or internal CA for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am
> trying to decide which to do but having trouble finding a lot of info about why I would
> want to do one or the other. 
The choices are documented there:
https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/...

François

>  Thanks in advance!
>
>  --
>  Kristian Petersen
>  System Administrator
>  BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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[Kristian Petersen]

That outlines the options, but not why I should or shouldn't use any of
them.  That is more of what I am looking for.

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami <fcami(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Hi,
>
>  On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users
>  <freeipa-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > Hey y'all,
>  >
>  > What are the pros and cons of using and external or internal CA for
>  FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to do but having trouble finding
>  a lot of info about why I would want to do one or the other.
>
>  The choices are documented there:
>
>
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/...
>
>  François
>
>  > Thanks in advance!
>  >
>  > --
>  > Kristian Petersen
>  > System Administrator
>  > BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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[Rob Crittenden]

Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  That outlines the options, but not why I should or shouldn't use
> any of
>  them.  That is more of what I am looking for. 
It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal requirements.

Often an organization already has a CA and wants any additional CA's to
be subordinates.

The downsides of an external CA is some additional complexity.

Installation can be more difficult (users often have issues getting
their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing with a longer
certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date of the external CA.

rob

>  
>  On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami <fcami(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>      Hi,
>  
>      On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users
>      <freeipa-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>      >
>      > Hey y'all,
>      >
>      > What are the pros and cons of using and external or internal CA
>      for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to do but having
>      trouble finding a lot of info about why I would want to do one or
>      the other.
>  
>      The choices are documented there:
>     
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/...
>  
>      François
>  
>      > Thanks in advance!
>      >
>      > --
>      > Kristian Petersen
>      > System Administrator
>      > BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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[Kristian Petersen]

New but related question:  Iff I just want to add new LDAP and HTTPS certs
(not replacing the current ones) I know that can be done.  I read an
article from Florence Blanc-Renaud that mentions it, but I ran into some
errors and I'm trying to troubleshoot them. When I ran
ipa-server-certinstall and gave it the key I generated and the crt file I
got from Digicert it said the entire chain was not present.  So then I
tried including the DigiCertCA.crt file as well, however, I got the same
result.

I next tried adding the DigiCert certificate to IPA using
ipa-cacert-manage -p DM_PASSWORD -n NICKNAME -t C,, install DigiCertCA.crt
This also failed giving an error that the cert was invalid because the
Peer's Certificate issuer was not recognized.  Any thoughts about what I
might have missed?


On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  > That outlines the options, but not why I should or shouldn't use any of
>  > them.  That is more of what I am looking for.
>
>  It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal requirements.
>
>  Often an organization already has a CA and wants any additional CA's to
>  be subordinates.
>
>  The downsides of an external CA is some additional complexity.
>
>  Installation can be more difficult (users often have issues getting
>  their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing with a longer
>  certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date of the external
>  CA.
>
>  rob
>
>  >
>  > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami <fcami(a)redhat.com
>  > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     Hi,
>  >
>  >     On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users
>  >     <freeipa-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  >     >
>  >     > Hey y'all,
>  >     >
>  >     > What are the pros and cons of using and external or internal CA
>  >     for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to do but having
>  >     trouble finding a lot of info about why I would want to do one or
>  >     the other.
>  >
>  >     The choices are documented there:
>  >
>
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/...
>  >
>  >     François
>  >
>  >     > Thanks in advance!
>  >     >
>  >     > --
>  >     > Kristian Petersen
>  >     > System Administrator
>  >     > BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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[Rob Crittenden]

Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  New but related question:  Iff I just want to add new LDAP and HTTPS
>  certs (not replacing the current ones) I know that can be done.  I read
>  an article from Florence Blanc-Renaud that mentions it, but I ran into
>  some errors and I'm trying to troubleshoot them. When I ran
>  ipa-server-certinstall and gave it the key I generated and the crt file
>  I got from Digicert it said the entire chain was not present.  So then I
>  tried including the DigiCertCA.crt file as well, however, I got the same
>  result.
>  
>  I next tried adding the DigiCert certificate to IPA
>  usingipa-cacert-manage -p DM_PASSWORD -n NICKNAME -t C,, install
>  DigiCertCA.crt
>  This also failed giving an error that the cert was invalid because the
>  Peer's Certificate issuer was not recognized.  Any thoughts about what I
>  might have missed? 
You don't have the full chain. It can be tricky to find the whole list
even on CA's that make it relatively easy.

What you want to do is use a tool like openssl x509 to display the
subject and issuer:

openssl x509 -text -noout -in /path/to/cert

I'd start with the server cert you've been issued. Find a matching CA
cert where the subject of the CA cert matches the issuer on the server cert.

Then find another CA cert whose subject matches the issuer of the bottom
of the chain, and work upwards until you find a CA cert where the issuer
and subject match. Then you've found the root. That plus the other
matching CA certs is your chain.

I'll also note about the "add but not replace" the LDAP and Web certs.
There can only be one active. You can certainly use different physical
files and nicknames to store the new certs but only one set is active at
a time.

rob

>  
>  
>  On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>      Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>      > That outlines the options, but not why I should or shouldn't use
>      any of
>      > them.  That is more of what I am looking for.
>  
>      It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal requirements.
>  
>      Often an organization already has a CA and wants any additional CA's to
>      be subordinates.
>  
>      The downsides of an external CA is some additional complexity.
>  
>      Installation can be more difficult (users often have issues getting
>      their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing with a longer
>      certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date of the
>      external CA.
>  
>      rob
>  
>      >
>      > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami <fcami(a)redhat.com
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >     Hi,
>      >
>      >     On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via
>      FreeIPA-users
>      >     &lt;freeipa-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>      >     >
>      >     > Hey y'all,
>      >     >
>      >     > What are the pros and cons of using and external or internal CA
>      >     for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to do but having
>      >     trouble finding a lot of info about why I would want to do one or
>      >     the other.
>      >
>      >     The choices are documented there:
>      >   
>     
>  https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/linux_domain_identity_authentication_and_policy_guide/install-server
>      >
>      >     François
>      >
>      >     > Thanks in advance!
>      >     >
>      >     > --
>      >     > Kristian Petersen
>      >     > System Administrator
>      >     > BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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>  Kristian Petersen
>  System Administrator
>  BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry

[Kristian Petersen]

Rob,

After investigating the certs as you had suggested, I do have the whole
chain.  The server cert has as its issuer:
Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com, CN = DigiCert SHA2
High Assurance Server CA

And the DigiCert.crt file has as its issuer and subject:
Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com, CN = DigiCert SHA2
High Assurance Server CA
Subject: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com, CN = DigiCert
SHA2 High Assurance Server CA

Am I missing something here?

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:50 PM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  > New but related question:  Iff I just want to add new LDAP and HTTPS
>  > certs (not replacing the current ones) I know that can be done.  I read
>  > an article from Florence Blanc-Renaud that mentions it, but I ran into
>  > some errors and I'm trying to troubleshoot them. When I ran
>  > ipa-server-certinstall and gave it the key I generated and the crt file
>  > I got from Digicert it said the entire chain was not present.  So then I
>  > tried including the DigiCertCA.crt file as well, however, I got the same
>  > result.
>  >
>  > I next tried adding the DigiCert certificate to IPA
>  > usingipa-cacert-manage -p DM_PASSWORD -n NICKNAME -t C,, install
>  > DigiCertCA.crt
>  > This also failed giving an error that the cert was invalid because the
>  > Peer's Certificate issuer was not recognized.  Any thoughts about what I
>  > might have missed?
>
>  You don't have the full chain. It can be tricky to find the whole list
>  even on CA's that make it relatively easy.
>
>  What you want to do is use a tool like openssl x509 to display the
>  subject and issuer:
>
>  openssl x509 -text -noout -in /path/to/cert
>
>  I'd start with the server cert you've been issued. Find a matching CA
>  cert where the subject of the CA cert matches the issuer on the server
>  cert.
>
>  Then find another CA cert whose subject matches the issuer of the bottom
>  of the chain, and work upwards until you find a CA cert where the issuer
>  and subject match. Then you've found the root. That plus the other
>  matching CA certs is your chain.
>
>  I'll also note about the "add but not replace" the LDAP and Web certs.
>  There can only be one active. You can certainly use different physical
>  files and nicknames to store the new certs but only one set is active at
>  a time.
>
>  rob
>
>  >
>  >
>  > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com
>  > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  >     > That outlines the options, but not why I should or shouldn't use
>  >     any of
>  >     > them.  That is more of what I am looking for.
>  >
>  >     It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal requirements.
>  >
>  >     Often an organization already has a CA and wants any additional CA's
>  to
>  >     be subordinates.
>  >
>  >     The downsides of an external CA is some additional complexity.
>  >
>  >     Installation can be more difficult (users often have issues getting
>  >     their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing with a
>  longer
>  >     certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date of the
>  >     external CA.
>  >
>  >     rob
>  >
>  >     >
>  >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami <fcami(a)redhat.com
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>  >     >
>  >     >     Hi,
>  >     >
>  >     >     On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via
>  >     FreeIPA-users
>  >     >     <freeipa-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>>> wrote:
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     > Hey y'all,
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     > What are the pros and cons of using and external or internal
>  CA
>  >     >     for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to do but having
>  >     >     trouble finding a lot of info about why I would want to do one
>  or
>  >     >     the other.
>  >     >
>  >     >     The choices are documented there:
>  >     >
>  >
>
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/...
>  >     >
>  >     >     François
>  >     >
>  >     >     > Thanks in advance!
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     > --
>  >     >     > Kristian Petersen
>  >     >     > System Administrator
>  >     >     > BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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>
>  
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System Administrator
BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry

[Rob Crittenden]

Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  Rob,
>  
>  After investigating the certs as you had suggested, I do have the whole
>  chain.  The server cert has as its issuer:
>  Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>  
>  And the DigiCert.crt file has as its issuer and subject:
>  Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>  Subject: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>  
>  Am I missing something here?   
So you have the whole chain in one file? Try adding them individually,
starting at the root.

rob

>  
>  On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:50 PM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>      Kristian Petersen wrote:
>      > New but related question:  Iff I just want to add new LDAP and HTTPS
>      > certs (not replacing the current ones) I know that can be done.  I
>      read
>      > an article from Florence Blanc-Renaud that mentions it, but I ran into
>      > some errors and I'm trying to troubleshoot them. When I ran
>      > ipa-server-certinstall and gave it the key I generated and the crt
>      file
>      > I got from Digicert it said the entire chain was not present.  So
>      then I
>      > tried including the DigiCertCA.crt file as well, however, I got
>      the same
>      > result.
>      >
>      > I next tried adding the DigiCert certificate to IPA
>      > usingipa-cacert-manage -p DM_PASSWORD -n NICKNAME -t C,, install
>      > DigiCertCA.crt
>      > This also failed giving an error that the cert was invalid because the
>      > Peer's Certificate issuer was not recognized.  Any thoughts about
>      what I
>      > might have missed?
>  
>      You don't have the full chain. It can be tricky to find the whole list
>      even on CA's that make it relatively easy.
>  
>      What you want to do is use a tool like openssl x509 to display the
>      subject and issuer:
>  
>      openssl x509 -text -noout -in /path/to/cert
>  
>      I'd start with the server cert you've been issued. Find a matching CA
>      cert where the subject of the CA cert matches the issuer on the
>      server cert.
>  
>      Then find another CA cert whose subject matches the issuer of the bottom
>      of the chain, and work upwards until you find a CA cert where the issuer
>      and subject match. Then you've found the root. That plus the other
>      matching CA certs is your chain.
>  
>      I'll also note about the "add but not replace" the LDAP and Web certs.
>      There can only be one active. You can certainly use different physical
>      files and nicknames to store the new certs but only one set is active at
>      a time.
>  
>      rob
>  
>      >
>      >
>      > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Crittenden
>      <rcritten(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
> wrote:
>      >
>      >     Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>      >     > That outlines the options, but not why I should or shouldn't use
>      >     any of
>      >     > them.  That is more of what I am looking for.
>      >
>      >     It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal
>      requirements.
>      >
>      >     Often an organization already has a CA and wants any
>      additional CA's to
>      >     be subordinates.
>      >
>      >     The downsides of an external CA is some additional complexity.
>      >
>      >     Installation can be more difficult (users often have issues
>      getting
>      >     their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing with
>      a longer
>      >     certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date of the
>      >     external CA.
>      >
>      >     rob
>      >
>      >     >
>      >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami
>      <fcami(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      >     <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>      >     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>> wrote:
>      >     >
>      >     >     Hi,
>      >     >
>      >     >     On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via
>      >     FreeIPA-users
>      >     >     &lt;freeipa-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>      >     >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>      <mailto:[e-mail]>>>> wrote:
>      >     >     >
>      >     >     > Hey y'all,
>      >     >     >
>      >     >     > What are the pros and cons of using and external or
>      internal CA
>      >     >     for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to do but
>      having
>      >     >     trouble finding a lot of info about why I would want to
>      do one or
>      >     >     the other.
>      >     >
>      >     >     The choices are documented there:
>      >     >   
>      >   
>     
>   https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/linux_domain_identity_authentication_and_policy_guide/install-server
>      >     >
>      >     >     François
>      >     >
>      >     >     > Thanks in advance!
>      >     >     >
>      >     >     > --
>      >     >     > Kristian Petersen
>      >     >     > System Administrator
>      >     >     > BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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[Kristian Petersen]

They aren't in one file.  But the server cert's issuer is the subject of
the DigiCert.crt file.  I have already tried adding just the Digicert.crt
file only to have it tell me it's Peer's Certificate isn't trusted.  I
don't even know what certificate that is talking about.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:27 AM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  > Rob,
>  >
>  > After investigating the certs as you had suggested, I do have the whole
>  > chain.  The server cert has as its issuer:
>  > Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>  >
>  > And the DigiCert.crt file has as its issuer and subject:
>  > Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>  > Subject: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>  >
>  > Am I missing something here?
>
>  So you have the whole chain in one file? Try adding them individually,
>  starting at the root.
>
>  rob
>
>  >
>  > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:50 PM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com
>  > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  >     > New but related question:  Iff I just want to add new LDAP and
>  HTTPS
>  >     > certs (not replacing the current ones) I know that can be done.  I
>  >     read
>  >     > an article from Florence Blanc-Renaud that mentions it, but I ran
>  into
>  >     > some errors and I'm trying to troubleshoot them. When I ran
>  >     > ipa-server-certinstall and gave it the key I generated and the crt
>  >     file
>  >     > I got from Digicert it said the entire chain was not present.  So
>  >     then I
>  >     > tried including the DigiCertCA.crt file as well, however, I got
>  >     the same
>  >     > result.
>  >     >
>  >     > I next tried adding the DigiCert certificate to IPA
>  >     > usingipa-cacert-manage -p DM_PASSWORD -n NICKNAME -t C,, install
>  >     > DigiCertCA.crt
>  >     > This also failed giving an error that the cert was invalid
>  because the
>  >     > Peer's Certificate issuer was not recognized.  Any thoughts about
>  >     what I
>  >     > might have missed?
>  >
>  >     You don't have the full chain. It can be tricky to find the whole
>  list
>  >     even on CA's that make it relatively easy.
>  >
>  >     What you want to do is use a tool like openssl x509 to display the
>  >     subject and issuer:
>  >
>  >     openssl x509 -text -noout -in /path/to/cert
>  >
>  >     I'd start with the server cert you've been issued. Find a matching CA
>  >     cert where the subject of the CA cert matches the issuer on the
>  >     server cert.
>  >
>  >     Then find another CA cert whose subject matches the issuer of the
>  bottom
>  >     of the chain, and work upwards until you find a CA cert where the
>  issuer
>  >     and subject match. Then you've found the root. That plus the other
>  >     matching CA certs is your chain.
>  >
>  >     I'll also note about the "add but not replace" the LDAP and Web
>  certs.
>  >     There can only be one active. You can certainly use different
>  physical
>  >     files and nicknames to store the new certs but only one set is
>  active at
>  >     a time.
>  >
>  >     rob
>  >
>  >     >
>  >     >
>  >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Crittenden
>  >     <rcritten(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
> wrote:
>  >     >
>  >     >     Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  >     >     > That outlines the options, but not why I should or shouldn't
>  use
>  >     >     any of
>  >     >     > them.  That is more of what I am looking for.
>  >     >
>  >     >     It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal
>  >     requirements.
>  >     >
>  >     >     Often an organization already has a CA and wants any
>  >     additional CA's to
>  >     >     be subordinates.
>  >     >
>  >     >     The downsides of an external CA is some additional complexity.
>  >     >
>  >     >     Installation can be more difficult (users often have issues
>  >     getting
>  >     >     their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing with
>  >     a longer
>  >     >     certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date of the
>  >     >     external CA.
>  >     >
>  >     >     rob
>  >     >
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami
>  >     <fcami(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     >     <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>  >     >     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>> wrote:
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     Hi,
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via
>  >     >     FreeIPA-users
>  >     >     >     <freeipa-users(a)lists.fedorahosted.org
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>  >     >     >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>>>> wrote:
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     > Hey y'all,
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     > What are the pros and cons of using and external or
>  >     internal CA
>  >     >     >     for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to do but
>  >     having
>  >     >     >     trouble finding a lot of info about why I would want to
>  >     do one or
>  >     >     >     the other.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     The choices are documented there:
>  >     >     >
>  >     >
>  >
>
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/...
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     François
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     > Thanks in advance!
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     > --
>  >     >     >     > Kristian Petersen
>  >     >     >     > System Administrator
>  >     >     >     > BYU Dept. of Chemistry and Biochemistry
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[Rob Crittenden]

Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  They aren't in one file.  But the server cert's issuer is the
> subject of
>  the DigiCert.crt file.  I have already tried adding just the
>  Digicert.crt file only to have it tell me it's Peer's Certificate isn't
>  trusted.  I don't even know what certificate that is talking about. 
Can you share the files?

rob

>  
>  On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:27 AM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com
>  <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>      Kristian Petersen wrote:
>      > Rob,
>      >
>      > After investigating the certs as you had suggested, I do have the
>      whole
>      > chain.  The server cert has as its issuer:
>      > Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>      <http://www.digicert.com>
>      > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>      >
>      > And the DigiCert.crt file has as its issuer and subject:
>      > Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>      <http://www.digicert.com>
>      > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>      > Subject: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>      <http://www.digicert.com>
>      > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance Server CA
>      >
>      > Am I missing something here? 
>  
>      So you have the whole chain in one file? Try adding them individually,
>      starting at the root.
>  
>      rob
>  
>      >
>      > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:50 PM Rob Crittenden
>      <rcritten(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
> wrote:
>      >
>      >     Kristian Petersen wrote:
>      >     > New but related question:  Iff I just want to add new LDAP
>      and HTTPS
>      >     > certs (not replacing the current ones) I know that can be
>      done.  I
>      >     read
>      >     > an article from Florence Blanc-Renaud that mentions it, but
>      I ran into
>      >     > some errors and I'm trying to troubleshoot them. When I ran
>      >     > ipa-server-certinstall and gave it the key I generated and
>      the crt
>      >     file
>      >     > I got from Digicert it said the entire chain was not
>      present.  So
>      >     then I
>      >     > tried including the DigiCertCA.crt file as well, however, I got
>      >     the same
>      >     > result.
>      >     >
>      >     > I next tried adding the DigiCert certificate to IPA
>      >     > usingipa-cacert-manage -p DM_PASSWORD -n NICKNAME -t C,, install
>      >     > DigiCertCA.crt
>      >     > This also failed giving an error that the cert was invalid
>      because the
>      >     > Peer's Certificate issuer was not recognized.  Any thoughts
>      about
>      >     what I
>      >     > might have missed?
>      >
>      >     You don't have the full chain. It can be tricky to find the
>      whole list
>      >     even on CA's that make it relatively easy.
>      >
>      >     What you want to do is use a tool like openssl x509 to display the
>      >     subject and issuer:
>      >
>      >     openssl x509 -text -noout -in /path/to/cert
>      >
>      >     I'd start with the server cert you've been issued. Find a
>      matching CA
>      >     cert where the subject of the CA cert matches the issuer on the
>      >     server cert.
>      >
>      >     Then find another CA cert whose subject matches the issuer of
>      the bottom
>      >     of the chain, and work upwards until you find a CA cert where
>      the issuer
>      >     and subject match. Then you've found the root. That plus the other
>      >     matching CA certs is your chain.
>      >
>      >     I'll also note about the "add but not replace" the LDAP and
>      Web certs.
>      >     There can only be one active. You can certainly use different
>      physical
>      >     files and nicknames to store the new certs but only one set is
>      active at
>      >     a time.
>      >
>      >     rob
>      >
>      >     >
>      >     >
>      >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Crittenden
>      >     &lt;rcritten(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>      >     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>> wrote:
>      >     >
>      >     >     Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>      >     >     > That outlines the options, but not why I should or
>      shouldn't use
>      >     >     any of
>      >     >     > them.  That is more of what I am looking for.
>      >     >
>      >     >     It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal
>      >     requirements.
>      >     >
>      >     >     Often an organization already has a CA and wants any
>      >     additional CA's to
>      >     >     be subordinates.
>      >     >
>      >     >     The downsides of an external CA is some additional
>      complexity.
>      >     >
>      >     >     Installation can be more difficult (users often have issues
>      >     getting
>      >     >     their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing
>      with
>      >     a longer
>      >     >     certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date
>      of the
>      >     >     external CA.
>      >     >
>      >     >     rob
>      >     >
>      >     >     >
>      >     >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami
>      >     &lt;fcami(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>      <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
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>      >     >     >
>      >     >     >     Hi,
>      >     >     >
>      >     >     >     On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen via
>      >     >     FreeIPA-users
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>      >     >     >     >
>      >     >     >     > Hey y'all,
>      >     >     >     >
>      >     >     >     > What are the pros and cons of using and external or
>      >     internal CA
>      >     >     >     for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to
>      do but
>      >     having
>      >     >     >     trouble finding a lot of info about why I would
>      want to
>      >     do one or
>      >     >     >     the other.
>      >     >     >
>      >     >     >     The choices are documented there:
>      >     >     >   
>      >     >   
>      >   
>     
>    https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/linux_domain_identity_authentication_and_policy_guide/install-server
>      >     >     >
>      >     >     >     François
>      >     >     >
>      >     >     >     > Thanks in advance!
>      >     >     >     >
>      >     >     >     > --
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[Kristian Petersen]

I have attached the files to this response.

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:32 PM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  > They aren't in one file.  But the server cert's issuer is the subject of
>  > the DigiCert.crt file.  I have already tried adding just the
>  > Digicert.crt file only to have it tell me it's Peer's Certificate isn't
>  > trusted.  I don't even know what certificate that is talking about.
>
>  Can you share the files?
>
>  rob
>
>  >
>  > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:27 AM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com
>  > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  >     > Rob,
>  >     >
>  >     > After investigating the certs as you had suggested, I do have the
>  >     whole
>  >     > chain.  The server cert has as its issuer:
>  >     > Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  >     <http://www.digicert.com>
>  >     > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance
>  Server CA
>  >     >
>  >     > And the DigiCert.crt file has as its issuer and subject:
>  >     > Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  >     <http://www.digicert.com>
>  >     > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance
>  Server CA
>  >     > Subject: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  >     <http://www.digicert.com>
>  >     > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance
>  Server CA
>  >     >
>  >     > Am I missing something here?
>  >
>  >     So you have the whole chain in one file? Try adding them
>  individually,
>  >     starting at the root.
>  >
>  >     rob
>  >
>  >     >
>  >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:50 PM Rob Crittenden
>  >     <rcritten(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
> wrote:
>  >     >
>  >     >     Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  >     >     > New but related question:  Iff I just want to add new LDAP
>  >     and HTTPS
>  >     >     > certs (not replacing the current ones) I know that can be
>  >     done.  I
>  >     >     read
>  >     >     > an article from Florence Blanc-Renaud that mentions it, but
>  >     I ran into
>  >     >     > some errors and I'm trying to troubleshoot them. When I ran
>  >     >     > ipa-server-certinstall and gave it the key I generated and
>  >     the crt
>  >     >     file
>  >     >     > I got from Digicert it said the entire chain was not
>  >     present.  So
>  >     >     then I
>  >     >     > tried including the DigiCertCA.crt file as well, however, I
>  got
>  >     >     the same
>  >     >     > result.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     > I next tried adding the DigiCert certificate to IPA
>  >     >     > usingipa-cacert-manage -p DM_PASSWORD -n NICKNAME -t C,,
>  install
>  >     >     > DigiCertCA.crt
>  >     >     > This also failed giving an error that the cert was invalid
>  >     because the
>  >     >     > Peer's Certificate issuer was not recognized.  Any thoughts
>  >     about
>  >     >     what I
>  >     >     > might have missed?
>  >     >
>  >     >     You don't have the full chain. It can be tricky to find the
>  >     whole list
>  >     >     even on CA's that make it relatively easy.
>  >     >
>  >     >     What you want to do is use a tool like openssl x509 to display
>  the
>  >     >     subject and issuer:
>  >     >
>  >     >     openssl x509 -text -noout -in /path/to/cert
>  >     >
>  >     >     I'd start with the server cert you've been issued. Find a
>  >     matching CA
>  >     >     cert where the subject of the CA cert matches the issuer on the
>  >     >     server cert.
>  >     >
>  >     >     Then find another CA cert whose subject matches the issuer of
>  >     the bottom
>  >     >     of the chain, and work upwards until you find a CA cert where
>  >     the issuer
>  >     >     and subject match. Then you've found the root. That plus the
>  other
>  >     >     matching CA certs is your chain.
>  >     >
>  >     >     I'll also note about the "add but not replace" the LDAP
> and
>  >     Web certs.
>  >     >     There can only be one active. You can certainly use different
>  >     physical
>  >     >     files and nicknames to store the new certs but only one set is
>  >     active at
>  >     >     a time.
>  >     >
>  >     >     rob
>  >     >
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Crittenden
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>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  >     >     >     > That outlines the options, but not why I should or
>  >     shouldn't use
>  >     >     >     any of
>  >     >     >     > them.  That is more of what I am looking for.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal
>  >     >     requirements.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     Often an organization already has a CA and wants any
>  >     >     additional CA's to
>  >     >     >     be subordinates.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     The downsides of an external CA is some additional
>  >     complexity.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     Installation can be more difficult (users often have
>  issues
>  >     >     getting
>  >     >     >     their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing
>  >     with
>  >     >     a longer
>  >     >     >     certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date
>  >     of the
>  >     >     >     external CA.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     rob
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami
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>  >     >     >     >     Hi,
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen
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> external
>  or
>  >     >     internal CA
>  >     >     >     >     for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to
>  >     do but
>  >     >     having
>  >     >     >     >     trouble finding a lot of info about why I would
>  >     want to
>  >     >     do one or
>  >     >     >     >     the other.
>  >     >     >     >
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>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     François
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     > Thanks in advance!
>  >     >     >     >     >
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[Kristian Petersen]

I tried attaching the files to my reply but that was rejected.  So what is
the best way to share them with you?

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 3:32 PM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  > They aren't in one file.  But the server cert's issuer is the subject of
>  > the DigiCert.crt file.  I have already tried adding just the
>  > Digicert.crt file only to have it tell me it's Peer's Certificate isn't
>  > trusted.  I don't even know what certificate that is talking about.
>
>  Can you share the files?
>
>  rob
>
>  >
>  > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 7:27 AM Rob Crittenden <rcritten(a)redhat.com
>  > <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  >     > Rob,
>  >     >
>  >     > After investigating the certs as you had suggested, I do have the
>  >     whole
>  >     > chain.  The server cert has as its issuer:
>  >     > Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  >     <http://www.digicert.com>
>  >     > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance
>  Server CA
>  >     >
>  >     > And the DigiCert.crt file has as its issuer and subject:
>  >     > Issuer: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  >     <http://www.digicert.com>
>  >     > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance
>  Server CA
>  >     > Subject: C = US, O = DigiCert Inc, OU = www.digicert.com
>  >     <http://www.digicert.com>
>  >     > <http://www.digicert.com>;, CN = DigiCert SHA2 High Assurance
>  Server CA
>  >     >
>  >     > Am I missing something here?
>  >
>  >     So you have the whole chain in one file? Try adding them
>  individually,
>  >     starting at the root.
>  >
>  >     rob
>  >
>  >     >
>  >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 12:50 PM Rob Crittenden
>  >     <rcritten(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>
> wrote:
>  >     >
>  >     >     Kristian Petersen wrote:
>  >     >     > New but related question:  Iff I just want to add new LDAP
>  >     and HTTPS
>  >     >     > certs (not replacing the current ones) I know that can be
>  >     done.  I
>  >     >     read
>  >     >     > an article from Florence Blanc-Renaud that mentions it, but
>  >     I ran into
>  >     >     > some errors and I'm trying to troubleshoot them. When I ran
>  >     >     > ipa-server-certinstall and gave it the key I generated and
>  >     the crt
>  >     >     file
>  >     >     > I got from Digicert it said the entire chain was not
>  >     present.  So
>  >     >     then I
>  >     >     > tried including the DigiCertCA.crt file as well, however, I
>  got
>  >     >     the same
>  >     >     > result.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     > I next tried adding the DigiCert certificate to IPA
>  >     >     > usingipa-cacert-manage -p DM_PASSWORD -n NICKNAME -t C,,
>  install
>  >     >     > DigiCertCA.crt
>  >     >     > This also failed giving an error that the cert was invalid
>  >     because the
>  >     >     > Peer's Certificate issuer was not recognized.  Any thoughts
>  >     about
>  >     >     what I
>  >     >     > might have missed?
>  >     >
>  >     >     You don't have the full chain. It can be tricky to find the
>  >     whole list
>  >     >     even on CA's that make it relatively easy.
>  >     >
>  >     >     What you want to do is use a tool like openssl x509 to display
>  the
>  >     >     subject and issuer:
>  >     >
>  >     >     openssl x509 -text -noout -in /path/to/cert
>  >     >
>  >     >     I'd start with the server cert you've been issued. Find a
>  >     matching CA
>  >     >     cert where the subject of the CA cert matches the issuer on the
>  >     >     server cert.
>  >     >
>  >     >     Then find another CA cert whose subject matches the issuer of
>  >     the bottom
>  >     >     of the chain, and work upwards until you find a CA cert where
>  >     the issuer
>  >     >     and subject match. Then you've found the root. That plus the
>  other
>  >     >     matching CA certs is your chain.
>  >     >
>  >     >     I'll also note about the "add but not replace" the LDAP
> and
>  >     Web certs.
>  >     >     There can only be one active. You can certainly use different
>  >     physical
>  >     >     files and nicknames to store the new certs but only one set is
>  >     active at
>  >     >     a time.
>  >     >
>  >     >     rob
>  >     >
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 11:20 AM Rob Crittenden
>  >     >     <rcritten(a)redhat.com <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>  >     >     > <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>>>
> wrote:
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     Kristian Petersen via FreeIPA-users wrote:
>  >     >     >     > That outlines the options, but not why I should or
>  >     shouldn't use
>  >     >     >     any of
>  >     >     >     > them.  That is more of what I am looking for.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     It's less benefit analysis and more forced by internal
>  >     >     requirements.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     Often an organization already has a CA and wants any
>  >     >     additional CA's to
>  >     >     >     be subordinates.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     The downsides of an external CA is some additional
>  >     complexity.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     Installation can be more difficult (users often have
>  issues
>  >     >     getting
>  >     >     >     their external CA to properly sign the IPA CSR), dealing
>  >     with
>  >     >     a longer
>  >     >     >     certificate chain and being bound by the expiration date
>  >     of the
>  >     >     >     external CA.
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     rob
>  >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:47 AM François Cami
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> wrote:
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     Hi,
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:34 PM Kristian Petersen
>  via
>  >     >     >     FreeIPA-users
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>  >     >     <mailto:[e-mail]
>  >     <mailto:[e-mail]>>>>> wrote:
>  >     >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     > Hey y'all,
>  >     >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     > What are the pros and cons of using and
> external
>  or
>  >     >     internal CA
>  >     >     >     >     for FreeIPA/IdM?  I am trying to decide which to
>  >     do but
>  >     >     having
>  >     >     >     >     trouble finding a lot of info about why I would
>  >     want to
>  >     >     do one or
>  >     >     >     >     the other.
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     The choices are documented there:
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >
>  >     >
>  >
>
> https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/...
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     François
>  >     >     >     >
>  >     >     >     >     > Thanks in advance!
>  >     >     >     >     >
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>  >     >     >     >     > Kristian Petersen
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