g11n March 2016

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Reminder: Fedora Globalization meeting focused on i18n 2016/03/16 06:00 UTC
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 15 Mar '16

15 Mar '16

Hi All, We have our g11n meeting focused on i18n tomorrow. Agenda is available at [1] Feel free to suggest missing topics. Thanks, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-03-16

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Zanata readiness for Translation vFAD
by Pravin Satpute 10 Mar '16

10 Mar '16

Hi All, Need help to make sure package priority list [1] is ready to receive translation during vFAD. I am myself not very clear on what to do in this activity but this is basically to make sure contributors will have minimal problems during translations vFAD, so good if someone can check it prior vFAD days. Alex i have added your name at [2] being only Zanata developer ;) Will be nice if few more members also join this activity :) Thanks, Pravin Satpute 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_GUI 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/vFAD_Translation

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Zanata improvements, L10n engagement and testing
by Baadur Jobava 09 Mar '16

09 Mar '16

I would like to detail some suggestions I had for Zanata improvements, engagement for translators and testing. 1. Zanata is missing terminology control. This is a feature already in Transifex, Pootle and present in most proprietary translation tools out there. Terminology control means "glossary", but also aspects of something people call "controlled language". In Transifex, each project has an attached terminology, with translation reviewers being able to update the terminology. My workflow there is a little clunky, but workable: I keep at the same time two tabs open, one with Terminology definitions, where I can add or adjust terms, and a second tab with the translation interface itself. As I translate, especially a new project, I add new terms to the list. (An improvement may be to be able to adjust terminology and translation from the same window) Setting terminology as translation progresses helps maintain consistency even if there is just one translator working on it. Unlike the automated translation memory, terminology provides 'intent' and highlights the important terms. As people translate, the terminology words get highlighted, with suggestions for each one. In Transifex there is inline highlighting (underlining) and a contextual bubble appears when you hover across the highlighted term. In Pootle the terminology terms appear to the side in a separate rectangle, along with their recommended translation and comments. Other than simply a glossary, terminology control should also highlight 'terminology violations' and have a filter to select only for these strings. As people add new terms to the terminology, the English variants get all added to a global list, so if a Japanese reviewer adds a new term, that one is also available to the French locale (and every other one) -- a good feature of Transifex. Now, a tool like Pootle only has locale-specific terms list, so each locale has to figure out their own terminology list. I prefer the Transifex way. Something that doesn't exist, but may help: 'hard' and 'soft' terminology. Hard terms may be those specific to the application or technical terms with strict interpretation, while 'soft' ones may be regular language which needs to be kept consistent, but not critical or with a special meaning for that project. Hard terms may be global, while soft ones may be locale-specific. more nice things to have: 2. Language-specific dashboards for Zanata for each language, from the Language page (eg. https://fedora.zanata.org/language/view/fr ): - latest changed projects, number of strings for each project and who did them - a link to a diff-style list with 'before', 'after', 'translator' for the last changed strings 3. Diff tools for Zanata: a way to inspect the state of the strings in 'before' and 'after' style picking two arbitrary dates, with github-like diff coloring for the changes and authors for each string (or substring) changed. 4. Feature improvement: an option to automatically import strings to a branch from another branch (for example, from 'development' to F24) for identical strings. Maybe an option to import identical translated strings from all other projects. 5. L10n engagement: - mass-email people who contributed to Fedora from Transifex who have not yet registered for Zanata (not yet joined a language group) - mass-email translation contributors, even those not yet on the mailing lists about the Fedora schedule and deadlines and maybe another mail about vFAD or translation test day 6. Automatic UI testing I was wondering if it were possible to set up some kind of automation that can: Walk the UI of a given project and take screenshots progressively of the interface, menus, submenus, windows and contextuals. I understand Gnome already has a web tool where you can manually inspect the menus, but something that generates a flat list of screenshots can help people go through the UI in a faster way. This would be toolkit-specific, but may be worth investigating if possible. That is all, thanks! Jobava

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Meeting minutes - 2016-03-09
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 09 Mar '16

09 Mar '16

Hi All, We had good meeting today. Following are minutes. ==================================== #fedora-meeting: g11n (l10n focused) ==================================== Meeting started by pravins at 08:30:06 UTC. The full logs are available athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-09/g11n_(l10n_fo… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (pravins, 08:30:13) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-03-09 (pravins, 08:30:14) * Upcoming schedule (pravins, 08:31:35) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/24/Schedule (pravins, 08:31:35) * 2016-03-22 Alpha Release (pravins, 08:32:13) * 2016-04-05 Software Translation Deadline (pravins, 08:32:13) * 2016-04-19 Beta Freeze (*) (pravins, 08:32:13) * 2016-04-19 Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline (pravins, 08:32:13) * 2016-05-03 Beta Release (pravins, 08:32:13) * 2016-05-24 Final Freeze (*) (pravins, 08:32:14) * 2016-06-07 Fedora 24 Final Release (GA) (pravins, 08:32:16) * Software String Freeze happened on 8th march. (pravins, 08:34:48) * Fedor 24 L10N test day planning (pravins, 08:34:55) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/18 (pravins, 08:35:01) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/480 (pravins, 08:35:08) * Jobava has some suggestions on "mission functionality is terminology control" in Zanata. Later follow up with aeng and team. (pravins, 08:41:10) * vFAD for Translations (pravins, 08:41:57) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/5 (pravins, 08:41:57) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_GUI (pravins, 08:51:21) * LINK: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_guides_table (noriko, 08:55:38) * Docs Schedule might not fit with GUI Translation vFAD. (pravins, 08:57:40) * difficult to get vFAD translation in L10N test day image. Since package owners might not build packages before Translation deadline. (pravins, 09:15:19) * IDEA: execute vFAD from 21-27 but translation may not get build by package owners for L10N test day. (pravins, 09:19:25) * Next meeting time (pravins, 09:22:36) * Jobava will help to chair next G11N meeting. (pravins, 09:26:01) * Open Floor (pravins, 09:26:22) Meeting ended at 09:31:03 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pravins (118) * noriko (26) * jibecfed (23) * Jobava (20) * juhp (12) * zodbot (9) * fale (9) * paragan (5) * mfabian (1) * tagoh_ (1) * epico (1) * fujiwarat (1) * suanand (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : G11N (L10N focused)
by Pravin Satpute 08 Mar '16

08 Mar '16

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: G11N (L10N focused) on 2016-03-09 from 08:30:00 to 09:30:00 UTC The meeting will be about: Agenda is available at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2016-03-09 Please feel free to suggest/add missing topics. Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/3331/

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Tomorrow's g11n meeting
by Ani Peter 08 Mar '16

08 Mar '16

Dear All, Can we have our tomorrow's g11n meeting at 8:30AM UTC [1]? Are you guys okay with this time? Thanks Ani [1] - http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?pl=1&lid=2174003,30,100,12&h=2174003

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Volunteer to test Fedora 24 Translation: Song - Chinese
by Song Liu 06 Mar '16

06 Mar '16

Hello all, I am interested in [Community Activity] Fedora 24 Translation Test Day, please add me, thanks Name: Song Liu Language: Chinese -- Best Regards, Song Tel. +86-10-62608390 IRC. #ent #eng-china #qa

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Glibc Locale subpackaging test day
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 03 Mar '16

03 Mar '16

Hi All, Glibc locale subpackaging [1] is critical change for Fedora 24. In last meeting Jens suggested an idea of having dedicated test day for this change. Just continuing discussion on that. 1. Change is not available in Fedora 24 2. Other missing things? Test cases availabiltiy What is appropriate date? Alpha freeze?? Creating test day page. Regards, Pravin 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Glibc_locale_subpackaging

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Planning for Virtual FAD for translations
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 02 Mar '16

02 Mar '16

Hi All, One important topic we are discussing from DevConf is vFAD. We have very less time around, say 2/3 weeks to get things done for vFAD. (Translation freeze 5th April 2015) I have created initial Wiki page for vFAD, few more edits from Ani. [1] This page is mostly from planning side. Feel free to correct/extend it with more information. As you can see from Wiki, we have different tasks and different expertise contribution is required. Please add your name in part you can help. Then later we can discuss in small group how to execute it. If we can get small groups by Friday. Next week we can start working on completing prerequisite list. Lets collaborate and make it big success :) Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/vFAD_Translation

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Minutes of 2016/03/02 meeting
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 02 Mar '16

02 Mar '16

Hi All, Minutes are as follows. ============================ #fedora-meeting: g11n (i18n) ============================ Meeting started by pravins at 06:00:55 UTC. The full logs are available athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2016-03-02/g11n_(i18n).2… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (pravins, 06:01:02) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Meetings/2016-03-02 (pravins, 06:01:02) * Upcoming schedule (pravins, 06:04:13) * 2016-02-23 Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25) (pravins, 06:04:13) * 2016-03-08 Alpha Freeze (*) (pravins, 06:04:13) * 2016-03-08 Software String Freeze (pravins, 06:04:13) * 2016-03-08 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) (pravins, 06:04:13) * 2016-03-08 Bodhi activation point (pravins, 06:04:14) * 2016-03-22 Alpha Release (pravins, 06:04:16) * #57: Fedora 24 change planning (pravins, 06:05:53) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/57 (pravins, 06:05:53) * Bit late though: Glibc locale subpackages has been pushed in F24+ (pravins, 06:08:14) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org… (pravins, 06:09:18) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/I18N/Langpacks/WeakdepsImplementation (paragan, 06:13:00) * dnf-langpacks will be available with LangpacksInstallationWithRPMWeakDependencie for F24, plan to retire dnf-langpacks by F25+.. (pravins, 06:17:56) * #58: Prioritizing bugs for Fedora 24 release (pravins, 06:21:15) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/58 (pravins, 06:21:19) * Not very good picture of i18n on G11N enhancement for Fedora 24 page. (pravins, 06:27:07) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Fedora_24_G11N_Enhancements (pravins, 06:27:14) * #60: Fedora 24 Test day planning (pravins, 06:28:54) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/60 (pravins, 06:28:55) * #61: FTBFS bugs for Rawhide (pravins, 06:38:33) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/61 (pravins, 06:38:33) * #59: tracking of translation string changes (pravins, 06:42:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/59 (pravins, 06:42:41) * Open Floor (pravins, 06:45:43) * LINK: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org… (jibecfed, 06:49:36) Meeting ended at 06:55:38 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pravins (111) * jibecfed (22) * paragan (18) * zodbot (13) * mfabian (3) * ani (3) * juhp (2) * tagoh_ (2) * Satya (2) * suanand (2) * epico (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot Regards, Pravin

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