RFC: A truly cross-distro game packaging list (was: Re: Chromium BSU upstream developers needed!)
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Paul Wise pabs@debian.org wrote:
I'd like to add interested people to the project so they can commit patches from their distros or that they have created. If you are interested, please let me know what your sourceforge login is.
I want to propose to create a cross-distro game mailing list. I know the idea has been floating around a few times, but nothing seems to be happening. What I have in mind is a place to share interesting patches, hot new games, critical holes, try and get ahold of elusive upstreams by help of people who already have a package & thus contact and whatnot.
I would especially be interested in the opinions of non-Debian people if they would have any interest in joining such a list. Feel free to snowball the idea around your respective lists, as well.
As soon as I have some feedback, I would want to go ahead and create a list. Obvious options for hosting are:
1) Debian servers (will find out if that is OK) 2) Private Domain 3) berlios.de et al
On a hunch, I would go for berlios as 1) might bias the list towards Debian, which I do not want and while 2) is trivial, it is usually better to use domains that are with large entities, not with single people. I prefer berlios.de over sf.net as it reeks less of dying dinosaur and over google code as google's list subscription processing and their user support are a black hole.
Richard
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Richard Hartmann richih.mailinglist@gmail.com wrote:
I want to propose to create a cross-distro game mailing list. I know the idea has been floating around a few times, but nothing seems to be happening. What I have in mind is a place to share interesting patches, hot new games, critical holes, try and get ahold of elusive upstreams by help of people who already have a package & thus contact and whatnot.
Excllent idea.
As soon as I have some feedback, I would want to go ahead and create a list. Obvious options for hosting are:
I'd suggest freedesktop.org would be the right place.
A ##games on freenode would be a good idea.
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Paul Wise pabs@debian.org wrote:
I'd suggest freedesktop.org would be the right place.
Also an option, yes. I will poke them a bit, but on a hunch, I would not mind setting stuff up over there, either.
A ##games on freenode would be a good idea.
Depends. While ##games has the potential to become a sort of central hub about all kind of open source games, which is good, a name like #cross-distro-games would allow us to use the official namespace and it could be expanded to encompass other cross-distro-* lists on freedesktop and channels on freenode over time. As I am freenode staff, I am prolly best suited to handle that side, as well.
I am poking the fdo people as I write this email to find out if they would be OK with hosting non-X lists as well if they pop into existance.
If that is not the case, we are back to either berlios or, if we believe this can grow (and it probably will), to set up a dedicated domain with ML hosting as I _do_ see potential for this to become 'more'.
Richard
* Richard Hartmann richih.mailinglist@gmail.com [2008-03-18 09:56:23 CET]:
- Debian servers (will find out if that is OK)
Would be definitely o.k., but I follow your reasoning of that it would sound too much Debian specific and thus should rather be avoided to not discourage other people to join in.
- Private Domain
Would mean a maintenance overhead which isn't really needed, there is enough of offers flying around.
- berlios.de et al
... personally I would suggest gna.org from which I like the offerings quite well. It's savannah from the FSF France which in my opinion is pretty much more libre than savannah itself. It feels more comfortable to me - but I'm not against a particular site, only I do dislike the sf.net mailinglist advertising immensly, especially when it sends me microsoft ads. %-/
So long, Rhonda
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:24:33AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
... personally I would suggest gna.org from which I like the offerings quite well. It's savannah from the FSF France which in my opinion is pretty much more libre than savannah itself. It feels more comfortable to me - but I'm not against a particular site, only I do dislike the sf.net mailinglist advertising immensly, especially when it sends me microsoft ads. %-/
Also, note that BerliOS doesn't support new games or game-related projects anymore. They rejected Wesnoth a few years ago because it was a game, and they have rejected other games too[1].
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Jordà Polo jorda@ettin.org wrote:
Also, note that BerliOS doesn't support new games or game-related projects anymore. They rejected Wesnoth a few years ago because it was a game, and they have rejected other games too[1].
Thanks!
It seems freedesktop is the place to go, unless someone would prefer lists d.o.t cross-distro d.o.t org (obfuscated a tad to prevent archive spiders from thinking this is worthwhile to reg & if anyone grabs that before we reach consensus here, expect to be lart'ed)
Richard
Richard Hartmann wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Jordà Polo jorda@ettin.org wrote:
Also, note that BerliOS doesn't support new games or game-related projects anymore. They rejected Wesnoth a few years ago because it was a game, and they have rejected other games too[1].
Thanks!
It seems freedesktop is the place to go, unless someone would prefer lists d.o.t cross-distro d.o.t org (obfuscated a tad to prevent archive spiders from thinking this is worthwhile to reg & if anyone grabs that before we reach consensus here, expect to be lart'ed)
I would prefer gna.org. And is really a viable choice. Wormux is hosted there and (upstream hat on) I have never had issues. Also their trackers look better and are faster than any other tracker I have ever used.
I have a project here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/freegamer
Could be used for anything Free Software game related.
A cross-distro packing list would be one such ideal usage of this project.
-C
Needless to say anybody who needs it would have full admin rights.
- C
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Free Gamer freegamerblog@gmail.com wrote:
Or of course there is tuxfamily.org... which I have a freegamer project there too =D but we use that for freegamedev.net so would need another project.
- C
Richard Hartmann wrote:
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Paul Wise pabs@debian.org wrote:
I'd like to add interested people to the project so they can commit patches from their distros or that they have created. If you are interested, please let me know what your sourceforge login is.
I want to propose to create a cross-distro game mailing list. I know the idea has been floating around a few times, but nothing seems to be happening. What I have in mind is a place to share interesting patches, hot new games, critical holes, try and get ahold of elusive upstreams by help of people who already have a package & thus contact and whatnot.
I would especially be interested in the opinions of non-Debian people if they would have any interest in joining such a list. Feel free to snowball the idea around your respective lists, as well.
I'm very much interested in joining such a list (and I must admit then unsubscribe from debian-devel-games)
As soon as I have some feedback, I would want to go ahead and create a list. Obvious options for hosting are:
- Debian servers (will find out if that is OK)
- Private Domain
- berlios.de et al
On a hunch, I would go for berlios as 1) might bias the list towards Debian, which I do not want and while 2) is trivial, it is usually better to use domains that are with large entities, not with single people. I prefer berlios.de over sf.net as it reeks less of dying dinosaur and over google code as google's list subscription processing and their user support are a black hole.
1 and 3 are fine with me, 2 is a bit tricky as contributers tend to come and go over time.
Regards,
Hans (the Fedora games dude)
p.s.
You should really also invite Toni (oc2pus) from packman toni@links2linux.de he does lots of suse game packages
CC'ing toni@links2linux.de, partial self-quote for his benefit
On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl wrote:
Richard Hartmann wrote:
I want to propose to create a cross-distro game mailing list. I know the idea has been floating around a few times, but nothing seems to be happening. What I have in mind is a place to share interesting patches, hot new games, critical holes, try and get ahold of elusive upstreams by help of people who already have a package & thus contact and whatnot.
I'm very much interested in joining such a list (and I must admit then unsubscribe from debian-devel-games)
No problem. That is what the list is there for :)
- Debian servers (will find out if that is OK)
- Private Domain
- berlios.de et al
1 and 3 are fine with me, 2 is a bit tricky as contributers tend to come and go over time.
I tend to stick to stuff and a non-moderared member-only ML runs itself, but yah that is the point.
You should really also invite Toni (oc2pus) from packman toni@links2linux.de he does lots of suse game packages
Done.
Richard
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