I saw there were some problems making a games spin, but I wasn't sure what the underlying cause was. If I want to make a live games DVD using livecd-creator and the games kickstart file (possibly with some changes) should I expect problems?
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
I saw there were some problems making a games spin, but I wasn't sure what the underlying cause was. If I want to make a live games DVD using livecd-creator and the games kickstart file (possibly with some changes) should I expect problems?
Not really, the resulting iso might be to large in which case you need to drop some packages, or you might run out of "disk" space, in which case you need to change the size of the / fs in the .ks file.
If you're planning on doing this anyways it would be great if you could perhaps become the maintainer of an official Fedora Games spin?
We would really like to see such a spin, but are short on manpower to realize it. (even though it should not be too much work).
Regards,
Hans
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:17:04 +0100, Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl wrote:
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
I saw there were some problems making a games spin, but I wasn't sure what the underlying cause was. If I want to make a live games DVD using livecd-creator and the games kickstart file (possibly with some changes) should I expect problems?
Not really, the resulting iso might be to large in which case you need to drop some packages, or you might run out of "disk" space, in which case you need to change the size of the / fs in the .ks file.
Yes it was, but just barely and checking on the smallest of the possible 12cm DVD maximum sizes suggests that I can make the filesystem enough larger for it to fit. I am testing 8800 now. Previously it was 8000. And it looks like the max is 4700000000/1024/512 = 8964. I'll see if the build has worked shortly, but won't be able to test the resulting iso until tonight.
If you're planning on doing this anyways it would be great if you could perhaps become the maintainer of an official Fedora Games spin?
We'll see. In principle I am willing to do it, but I want to make sure I am qualified. If I actually get it to work, I'll ask about details. I have access to i386 and x86_64 systems for doing builds. If we need both. Though I think for a livedvd i386 is probably good enough for the PC world. I don't have access to other architectures.
I already noticed the kickstart file still refers to starfighter which seems to have been dropped. I'll file a bug on that after I double check things.
We would really like to see such a spin, but are short on manpower to realize it. (even though it should not be too much work).
Yeah, I saw the notes about that, but what worried me wasn't that I didn't fully grok what they were talking about. If it was just that it needed about 4.1 GB instead of 4GB, then I'm probably OK, because I am seeing and attempting to fix that.
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
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If you're planning on doing this anyways it would be great if you could perhaps become the maintainer of an official Fedora Games spin?
We'll see. In principle I am willing to do it, but I want to make sure I am qualified. If I actually get it to work, I'll ask about details. I have access to i386 and x86_64 systems for doing builds. If we need both. Though I think for a livedvd i386 is probably good enough for the PC world. I don't have access to other architectures.
I already noticed the kickstart file still refers to starfighter which seems to have been dropped. I'll file a bug on that after I double check things.
That was removed because of legal reasons, which as of yet are not resolved, just drop it from the list.
And you may also want do drop vdrift if its in there as it is broken with all FOSS opengl drivers (iow only works with the blobs).
We would really like to see such a spin, but are short on manpower to realize it. (even though it should not be too much work).
Yeah, I saw the notes about that, but what worried me wasn't that I didn't fully grok what they were talking about. If it was just that it needed about 4.1 GB instead of 4GB, then I'm probably OK, because I am seeing and attempting to fix that.
Its mostly things like this and adding new cool games as they get packaged (and dropping less cool ones to make space I guess). The biggest problem is that doing test builds to see if things fit (and there are no errors causing the build to fail) take a lot of time. If you are willing to do that I'm sure they are plenty of people around willing to help if you hit any issues you cannot solve yourself, including the Spins SIG.
Regards,
Hans
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 17:09:44 +0100, Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl wrote:
And you may also want do drop vdrift if its in there as it is broken with all FOSS opengl drivers (iow only works with the blobs).
I'll check.
Its mostly things like this and adding new cool games as they get packaged (and dropping less cool ones to make space I guess). The biggest problem is that doing test builds to see if things fit (and there are no errors causing the build to fail) take a lot of time. If you are willing to do that I'm sure they are plenty of people around willing to help if you hit any issues you cannot solve yourself, including the Spins SIG.
I'll commit to trying to build one for F10 + F10-Updates as I want to have one to give out to some people for Christmas. If I get it to work I expect to be able to build them for rawhide before releases as I usually start tracking rawhide around the alpha release.
The build that was running failed. There was a complaint about the size of the squashfs file system being over 4GB. This looks odd as the number of blocks suggests that the filesystem should have been around 2GB before compression. I'll look into this and see if I can figure it out.
There were also yum errors for scripts that couldn't find programs (e.g. touch) that they needed and I have asked on fedora-list for help with what to file bugs against.
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 17:09:44 +0100, Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl wrote:
Its mostly things like this and adding new cool games as they get packaged (and dropping less cool ones to make space I guess). The biggest problem is that doing test builds to see if things fit (and there are no errors causing the build to fail) take a lot of time. If you are willing to do that I'm sure they are plenty of people around willing to help if you hit any issues you cannot solve yourself, including the Spins SIG.
Is getting back as a spin going to require going through the "Feature" process? That would impose some deadlines I would have to keep an eye on.
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 17:09:44 +0100, Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl wrote:
Its mostly things like this and adding new cool games as they get packaged (and dropping less cool ones to make space I guess). The biggest problem is that doing test builds to see if things fit (and there are no errors causing the build to fail) take a lot of time. If you are willing to do that I'm sure they are plenty of people around willing to help if you hit any issues you cannot solve yourself, including the Spins SIG.
Is getting back as a spin going to require going through the "Feature" process? That would impose some deadlines I would have to keep an eye on.
Jesse Keating said he wanted that to happen for Fedora 11 in the last Fedora Board IRC meeting. So I guess the answer is yes. I can help you with that.
Rahul
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 23:03:42 +0530, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Jesse Keating said he wanted that to happen for Fedora 11 in the last Fedora Board IRC meeting. So I guess the answer is yes. I can help you with that.
That should be OK. The main thing is to establish that I can get it to work. I just need to watch the deadlines for the feature stuff so I can get feature documentation and a test plan in.
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 23:03:42 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
Jesse Keating said he wanted that to happen for Fedora 11 in the last Fedora Board IRC meeting. So I guess the answer is yes. I can help you with that.
That should be OK. The main thing is to establish that I can get it to work. I just need to watch the deadlines for the feature stuff so I can get feature documentation and a test plan in.
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2008-December/msg00006... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GamesSpin
Rahul
I have some testing to do, but it looks like removing vdrift and the uqm packages got the size down to where things worked. The iso is now coming in at: 1986546 extents written (3879 MB)
If you try to reproduce this avoid yum-3.2.20-4 as there appears to be a problem with obsoletes. I used yum-3.2.20-5 to do the build. I used mirrors of F10 Everything, Updates and Updates-testing for the build.
I am not sure what was limiting things to 4GiB instead of 4.7GB. Since we are really close to that limit I'll do a bit of investigation there after seeing if the livedvd actually works as expected.
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 08:07:28 -0600, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
I am not sure what was limiting things to 4GiB instead of 4.7GB. Since we are really close to that limit I'll do a bit of investigation there after seeing if the livedvd actually works as expected.
Nope. But I think the problem was using a space in the file system label. The label didn't get quoted in the grub.conf file. I'll retest that and if manually putting quotes in gets me further I'll file a bug against livecd-creator. In the meantime I am rebuilding a new one using a name that seems to match what the F8 game spin was named (replacing 8 with 10).
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:43:20 -0600, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 08:07:28 -0600, Bruno Wolff III bruno@wolff.to wrote:
I am not sure what was limiting things to 4GiB instead of 4.7GB. Since we are really close to that limit I'll do a bit of investigation there after seeing if the livedvd actually works as expected.
Nope. But I think the problem was using a space in the file system label. The label didn't get quoted in the grub.conf file. I'll retest that and if manually putting quotes in gets me further I'll file a bug against livecd-creator. In the meantime I am rebuilding a new one using a name that seems to match what the F8 game spin was named (replacing 8 with 10).
I have filed bugs against livecd-creator for the space in file system label problem (475834) and the problem with coreutils being installed too late (475836). Hopefully the latter one gets fixed, as I am not sure how badly that screws up games where the scripts fail.
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:17:04 +0100, Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl wrote:
If you're planning on doing this anyways it would be great if you could perhaps become the maintainer of an official Fedora Games spin?
Since I seem to be sucked into this and have been having some limited success in at least finding problems, where do a publish changes to?
Can I file a bug against spin-kickstarts with a patch fedora-livedvd-games.ks when I am ready?
What about documentation of the livecd-creator command used to build the iso?
I am guessing I don't build the iso that gets published, since that should probably done by someone else (release engineering?). How does coordinating with that other person work in order to get test spins out for rawhide?
The included fedora-live-base.ks file indicates what repos get looked at. It is delivered looking at rawhide and there doesn't appear to be a way to override that on the livecd-creator command. Do I need to worry about or is it something the person who builds the release version of the games spin going to know how to deal with correctly?
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 09:17:04 +0100, Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl wrote:
If you're planning on doing this anyways it would be great if you could perhaps become the maintainer of an official Fedora Games spin?
Since I seem to be sucked into this and have been having some limited success in at least finding problems, where do a publish changes to?
Can I file a bug against spin-kickstarts with a patch fedora-livedvd-games.ks when I am ready?
Yes or request commit access and do it yourself. You got to learn the basics of git for that.
What about documentation of the livecd-creator command used to build the iso?
Are you asking where it is?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Fedora_LiveCD
I am guessing I don't build the iso that gets published, since that should probably done by someone else (release engineering?). How does coordinating with that other person work in order to get test spins out for rawhide?
Yes, keep in touch with release eng via rel-eng AT fedoraproject.org or dropping a mail to their mailing list. Josh Boyer usually does a compose on the server side in a virtual machine.
The included fedora-live-base.ks file indicates what repos get looked at. It is delivered looking at rawhide and there doesn't appear to be a way to override that on the livecd-creator command. Do I need to worry about or is it something the person who builds the release version of the games spin going to know how to deal with correctly?
They should be able to adjust the repos at compose time, yes. A reminder can't hurt.
Rahul
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:39:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
What about documentation of the livecd-creator command used to build the iso?
Are you asking where it is?
No, but rather where I document any parameters that I provide to build the games spin. Maybe release engineering worries about picking the file sysme label and that kind of stuff and I don't need to tell them anything but the kickstart file name?
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:39:29 +0530, Rahul Sundaram sundaram@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
What about documentation of the livecd-creator command used to build the iso?
Are you asking where it is?
No, but rather where I document any parameters that I provide to build the games spin. Maybe release engineering worries about picking the file sysme label and that kind of stuff and I don't need to tell them anything but the kickstart file name?
I haven't given them anything but the kickstart before but if we need to coordinate this, perhaps you should add it as a comment on top of the kickstart file and let rel-eng know.
Rahul
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