Re: games spin

[Hans de Goede]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hi
>
> Did you manage to find time to try out $subject? I wanted to push this 
> in time for test 3.

I've finally mangaed to find the time (and diskspace, empty dvd, etc) to give 
the kickstart file in the wiki a try. I had to add a "part / --size 7000" line 
to make the root partition big enough and fix a typo in a game name, other then 
that it works fine. And its "only" 3.2 Gb, so we've still got room for more games!

So do we want to add some kde games, I personally like taxipilot and ksirk, as 
small simple games, but they will add 56 Mb worth of kdelibs.

Anyways, I say send the .ks file as its now on the wiki to rel-eng for test3 
inclusion!

Regards,

Hans

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Hans de Goede wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Did you manage to find time to try out $subject? I wanted to push this 
> > in time for test 3.
>
> I've finally mangaed to find the time (and diskspace, empty dvd, etc) to 
> give the kickstart file in the wiki a try. I had to add a "part / --size 
> 7000" line to make the root partition big enough and fix a typo in a 
> game name, other then that it works fine. And its "only" 3.2 Gb, so 
> we've still got room for more games!
>
> So do we want to add some kde games, I personally like taxipilot and 
> ksirk, as small simple games, but they will add 56 Mb worth of kdelibs.

Sure. We can adjust some packages. I personally think first person 
shooters tend to attract a lot more attention. If we can do you did with 
Quake 3 with other games which have open engines but restricted content, 
we should be to accommodate a bit more games that otherwise can't be 
included.

Btw, I wrote to American Army folks a few days back about the 
possibility of opening up code. A shot in the dark though let's see.
> Anyways, I say send the .ks file as its now on the wiki to rel-eng for 
> test3 inclusion!

Thanks for testing this. CC'ing Release Engineering. Kickstart file 
available at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games/GamesLive. I have 
noted that Jeremy wanted us to inherit the desktop configuration which I 
will look into shortly.

Rahul

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[Hans de Goede]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hans de Goede wrote:
> > Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Did you manage to find time to try out $subject? I wanted to push 
> > > this in time for test 3.
> >
> > I've finally mangaed to find the time (and diskspace, empty dvd, etc) 
> > to give the kickstart file in the wiki a try. I had to add a "part / 
> > --size 7000" line to make the root partition big enough and fix a typo 
> > in a game name, other then that it works fine. And its "only" 3.2 Gb, 
> > so we've still got room for more games!
> >
> > So do we want to add some kde games, I personally like taxipilot and 
> > ksirk, as small simple games, but they will add 56 Mb worth of kdelibs.
>
> Sure. We can adjust some packages. I personally think first person 
> shooters tend to attract a lot more attention. If we can do you did with 
> Quake 3 with other games which have open engines but restricted content, 
> we should be to accommodate a bit more games that otherwise can't be 
> included.

Do we want to put autodownloader using games on the spin? Sofar I deliberately 
didn't put any on there.

Regards,

Hans

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Hans de Goede wrote:
> Do we want to put autodownloader using games on the spin? Sofar I 
> deliberately didn't put any on there.

Is there any reason not to? I can see some reasons why but I would like 
to hear your thoughts on that. One reason why I think we should do that 
is because it is useful to demo some of the nice games in Linux. As far 
as licensing is concerned, IMO gaming content restrictions can be a bit 
more than gaming engines due to the artistic values in the former though 
I definitely prefer less restrictions.

In most conferences these days, they have bandwidth that pulling in game 
content just before the demo is not a problem and doing such a demo for 
a upcoming local FOSS conference is of one my main motivations behind 
working on this. Btw, I haven't include the regular GNOME games packages 
in the kickstart file. Do we want to do that?

Rahul

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[Jon Ciesla]

> Hans de Goede wrote:
> > Do we want to put autodownloader using games on the spin? Sofar I
> > deliberately didn't put any on there.
>
> Is there any reason not to? I can see some reasons why but I would like
> to hear your thoughts on that. One reason why I think we should do that
> is because it is useful to demo some of the nice games in Linux. As far
> as licensing is concerned, IMO gaming content restrictions can be a bit
> more than gaming engines due to the artistic values in the former though
> I definitely prefer less restrictions.
>
> In most conferences these days, they have bandwidth that pulling in game
> content just before the demo is not a problem and doing such a demo for
> a upcoming local FOSS conference is of one my main motivations behind
> working on this. Btw, I haven't include the regular GNOME games packages
> in the kickstart file. Do we want to do that?

If I go to try out systems at Be$tBuy, and I want to play games to test
the video cards, I can't play the autodownload games because there's not
net connection.  So why bother?
> Rahul
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[Rahul Sundaram]

Jon Ciesla wrote:
> > Hans de Goede wrote:
> > > Do we want to put autodownloader using games on the spin? Sofar I
> > > deliberately didn't put any on there.
> >
> > Is there any reason not to? I can see some reasons why but I would like
> > to hear your thoughts on that. One reason why I think we should do that
> > is because it is useful to demo some of the nice games in Linux. As far
> > as licensing is concerned, IMO gaming content restrictions can be a bit
> > more than gaming engines due to the artistic values in the former though
> > I definitely prefer less restrictions.
> >
> > In most conferences these days, they have bandwidth that pulling in game
> > content just before the demo is not a problem and doing such a demo for
> > a upcoming local FOSS conference is of one my main motivations behind
> > working on this. Btw, I haven't include the regular GNOME games packages
> > in the kickstart file. Do we want to do that?
>
> If I go to try out systems at Be$tBuy, and I want to play games to test
> the video cards, I can't play the autodownload games because there's not
> net connection.  So why bother?

We could bother because there are other instances where it is useful and 
I did give one example of that above. For testing the video card there 
are several other games available in the spin.

Rahul

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[Hans de Goede]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hans de Goede wrote:
> > Do we want to put autodownloader using games on the spin? Sofar I 
> > deliberately didn't put any on there.
>
> Is there any reason not to? I can see some reasons why but I would like 
> to hear your thoughts on that. One reason why I think we should do that 
> is because it is useful to demo some of the nice games in Linux. As far 
> as licensing is concerned, IMO gaming content restrictions can be a bit 
> more than gaming engines due to the artistic values in the former though 
> I definitely prefer less restrictions.
>
> In most conferences these days, they have bandwidth that pulling in game 
> content just before the demo is not a problem and doing such a demo for 
> a upcoming local FOSS conference is of one my main motivations behind 
> working on this. Btw, I haven't include the regular GNOME games packages 
> in the kickstart file. Do we want to do that?

Erm,

I just think it looks silly to ask people to download some 75 Mb's (to RAM!) 
after they have just downloaded 3 Gb worth of DVD.

What do the others think? Wart? Chris(topher) ?

Regards,

Hans

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Hans de Goede wrote:
> Erm,
>
> I just think it looks silly to ask people to download some 75 Mb's (to 
> RAM!) after they have just downloaded 3 Gb worth of DVD.
>
> What do the others think? Wart? Chris(topher) ?

It won't necessarily be in RAM. I could be installing them to a hard 
disk from the Live DVD and demo'ing that.

Rahul

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[Michael Thomas]

Hans de Goede wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > Hans de Goede wrote:
> > > Do we want to put autodownloader using games on the spin? Sofar I 
> > > deliberately didn't put any on there.
> >
> > Is there any reason not to? I can see some reasons why but I would 
> > like to hear your thoughts on that. One reason why I think we should 
> > do that is because it is useful to demo some of the nice games in 
> > Linux. As far as licensing is concerned, IMO gaming content 
> > restrictions can be a bit more than gaming engines due to the artistic 
> > values in the former though I definitely prefer less restrictions.
> >
> > In most conferences these days, they have bandwidth that pulling in 
> > game content just before the demo is not a problem and doing such a 
> > demo for a upcoming local FOSS conference is of one my main 
> > motivations behind working on this. Btw, I haven't include the regular 
> > GNOME games packages in the kickstart file. Do we want to do that?
>
> Erm,
>
> I just think it looks silly to ask people to download some 75 Mb's (to 
> RAM!) after they have just downloaded 3 Gb worth of DVD.
>
> What do the others think? Wart? Chris(topher) ?

Are the Live DVDs installable to the hard disk?  If so, then I think 
they should definitely be included.   Even if not, I think they should 
be included.  Not everyone is going to be downloading the 3GB DVD image 
in order to get the DVD; people may be copying and/or sharing the DVD 
with friends, giving them away at conferences, etc.

+1 for including autodownloader games.

--Wart

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[Leszek Matok]

Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart  napisał(a):
> +1 for including autodownloader games.

Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to my HDD.

Lam

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[Ric Moore]

On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 22:44 +0200, Leszek Matok wrote:
> Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart  napisał(a):
> > +1 for including autodownloader games.
>
> Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to my HDD.

+1 for that, Ric

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[Hans de Goede]

Leszek Matok wrote:
> Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart  napisał(a):
> > +1 for including autodownloader games.
>
> Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to my HDD.

Hmm,

I'm afraid that cannot be done easily. So which way will it be then, with or 
without autodownloader games?

Regards,

Hans

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Hans de Goede wrote:
> Leszek Matok wrote:
> > Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart  napisał(a):
> > > +1 for including autodownloader games.
> >
> > Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to 
> > my HDD.
>
> Hmm,
>
> I'm afraid that cannot be done easily. So which way will it be then, 
> with or without autodownloader games?

I guess what people here are looking for is a easy way to differentiate 
between programs that use autodownloader and ones that don't. After it 
has downloaded the content thought the differentiation wouldn't be required.

If that can be done relatively easily somehow, that would be ideal.

Rahul

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[Hans de Goede]

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Hans de Goede wrote:
> > Leszek Matok wrote:
> > > Dnia 2007-09-30, o godz. 13:18:57 Wart  napisał(a):
> > > > +1 for including autodownloader games.
> > >
> > > Only if they wouldn't show up in the menu until I install the spin to 
> > > my HDD.
> >
> > Hmm,
> >
> > I'm afraid that cannot be done easily. So which way will it be then, 
> > with or without autodownloader games?
>
> I guess what people here are looking for is a easy way to differentiate 
> between programs that use autodownloader and ones that don't. After it 
> has downloaded the content thought the differentiation wouldn't be 
> required.
>
> If that can be done relatively easily somehow, that would be ideal.

There already is a way to differentiate, look at the tooltips one gets in the 
applications menu, atleast for all my autodl games there is a clear hint there 
files will be downloaded. FE: "Doom shareware launcher, will automatically 
download the needed datafiles" is the tooltip for the doom launcher included in 
vavoom.

Regards,

Hans

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[Jason L Tibbitts III]

> > > > > "RS" == Rahul Sundaram  writes:

RS> I guess what people here are looking for is a easy way to
RS> differentiate between programs that use autodownloader and ones
RS> that don't.

repoquery --whatrequires autodownloader ?

- J<

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[Rahul Sundaram]

Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
> > > > > > "RS" == Rahul Sundaram  writes:
>
> RS> I guess what people here are looking for is a easy way to
> RS> differentiate between programs that use autodownloader and ones
> RS> that don't.
>
> repoquery --whatrequires autodownloader ?

That's good enough for developers. I was talking more about user 
visibility. The hint on the menus should satisfy that requirement and we 
could add a note to the release notes too.

Rahul