Recently, it has come to light that all Parallel Realities games were knowingly using and including non-free content (graphics, audio, etc).
See: http://www.happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4725&highlight=
Accordingly, we need to block these packages from Fedora:
blobwars blobAndConquer starfighter viruskiller
Thanks,
~spot
Tom spot Callaway wrote:
Recently, it has come to light that all Parallel Realities games were knowingly using and including non-free content (graphics, audio, etc).
See: http://www.happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4725&highlight=
Accordingly, we need to block these packages from Fedora:
blobwars blobAndConquer starfighter viruskiller
Agreed, rel-eng people can you please untag these from rawhide (too late for older releases). I know were having infra issues, so please untag once those are solved.
Regards,
Hans
Tom spot Callaway wrote:
Recently, it has come to light that all Parallel Realities games were knowingly using and including non-free content (graphics, audio, etc).
See: http://www.happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4725&highlight=
Accordingly, we need to block these packages from Fedora:
blobwars blobAndConquer starfighter viruskiller
I'm currently trying to get a better picture on the issues surrounding these games from upstream and I'll try to work with them to fix things.
Regards,
Hans
Tom spot Callaway wrote:
Recently, it has come to light that all Parallel Realities games were knowingly using and including non-free content (graphics, audio, etc).
See: http://www.happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4725&highlight=
Accordingly, we need to block these packages from Fedora:
blobwars blobAndConquer starfighter viruskiller
Ok I've been in contact with upstream about this and I got the following list from them of resources which they got from various places and they thus cannot give any license guarantees about:
For Blob Wars,
All Music All Sound Effects
For Blob And Conquer
All Music All Sound Effects
For Virus Killer
All Music All Sound Effects
For Project: Starfighter All Music All Sound Effects Character Portraits Starfighter (and other spacecraft) images
My plan is to issue updates for blobwars and blobAndConquer removing music and sounds (and patching source as necessary to not crash when these are missing).
Then I'll be replacing the music which is all mod / xm / s3m with modtracker files from modarchive.org which only contains freely (re)distributable modtracker files (license already approved by Spot).
Last I will be replacing the sound effects with sound effects from other free games in Fedora, mainly freedoom, nexuiz, tremulous, opearena and worminator.
I'll do the same for viruskiller as that one is from Matthias, and Matthias seems to have little time for Fedora lately.
Project starfighter will have to be removed until we can fix the graphics issue, I've contacted Nicu and Marin asking them if they can maybe do some replacement graphics for starfighter.
Regards,
Hans
p.s.
As I still have quite a bit webcam work todo before the F10 beta for now I'll only be removing the sounds / music, adding replacements is something which I will do in a later update. In the mean time any help with this would be much appreciated, if you want to help please drop me a mail to coordinate.
2008/8/18 Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl
My plan is to issue updates for blobwars and blobAndConquer removing music and sounds (and patching source as necessary to not crash when these are missing).
I'm the current maintainer of blobwars, so I'll try to remove music and souds and eventually patch the source unless it requires advanced programming skills. I'll let you know about any progress.
Regards,
Rafał
Rafał Psota wrote:
2008/8/18 Hans de Goede <j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl mailto:j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl>
My plan is to issue updates for blobwars and blobAndConquer removing music and sounds (and patching source as necessary to not crash when these are missing).I'm the current maintainer of blobwars, so I'll try to remove music and souds and eventually patch the source unless it requires advanced programming skills. I'll let you know about any progress.
Cool, thanks!
As said I've some ideas to replace the music and sounds, when you have some spare time to invest drop me a mail and I'll put my ideas on paper, hopefully we can get some free music and sounds as replacements in place then, as a silent blobwars would be a bit of a pitty.
Regards,
Hans
Hi all,
I don't know if this is the right place to do this, but I would like to offer my help to the gaming comunity.
I am not personally a gamer, and I am visually impared, so I cannot test the greater number of games, what I can do is create music, and I would like to offer to help create music for any game that wants it.
If my help is required, just email me on this address (chris.norman4@ntlworld.com), with a description of the game, and what musical piece(s) you want, and I'll see what I can put together, and produce the music in either mp3 or wav format.
HTH somebody.
Hi all,
I don't know if this is the right place to do this, but I would like to offer my help to the gaming comunity.
I am not personally a gamer, and I am visually impared, so I cannot test the greater number of games, what I can do is create music, and I would like to offer to help create music for any game that wants it.
If my help is required, just email me on this address (chris.norman4@ntlworld.com), with a description of the game, and what musical piece(s) you want, and I'll see what I can put together, and produce the music in either mp3 or wav format.
Sounds like you would be a good person for Hans de Goede to work with. We just had to remove or modify several games with non-free content, including music, and I bet Hans would jump at the chance to have something custom-created.
Hans?
HTH somebody.
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 07:13 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Hi all,
I don't know if this is the right place to do this, but I would like to offer my help to the gaming comunity.
I am not personally a gamer, and I am visually impared, so I cannot test the greater number of games, what I can do is create music, and I would like to offer to help create music for any game that wants it.
If my help is required, just email me on this address (chris.norman4@ntlworld.com), with a description of the game, and what musical piece(s) you want, and I'll see what I can put together, and produce the music in either mp3 or wav format.
Sounds like you would be a good person for Hans de Goede to work with. We just had to remove or modify several games with non-free content, including music, and I bet Hans would jump at the chance to have something custom-created.
Hans?
It was this thread that gave me the idea to be honest.
I have a fair bit of free time on my hands to be honest, so just give me a shout if anyone wants music doing for anything, and obviously it's not going to be under any copyright or anything, all I ask is that my name be mentioned somewhere in the credits.
HTH somebody.
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
I can do sound effects as well, and any other audio, voice clips with different people, whatever.
HTH.
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 13:24 +0100, Chris Norman wrote:
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 07:13 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Hi all,
I don't know if this is the right place to do this, but I would like to offer my help to the gaming comunity.
I am not personally a gamer, and I am visually impared, so I cannot test the greater number of games, what I can do is create music, and I would like to offer to help create music for any game that wants it.
If my help is required, just email me on this address (chris.norman4@ntlworld.com), with a description of the game, and what musical piece(s) you want, and I'll see what I can put together, and produce the music in either mp3 or wav format.
Sounds like you would be a good person for Hans de Goede to work with. We just had to remove or modify several games with non-free content, including music, and I bet Hans would jump at the chance to have something custom-created.
Hans?
It was this thread that gave me the idea to be honest.
I have a fair bit of free time on my hands to be honest, so just give me a shout if anyone wants music doing for anything, and obviously it's not going to be under any copyright or anything, all I ask is that my name be mentioned somewhere in the credits.
HTH somebody.
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
Chris Norman wrote:
It was this thread that gave me the idea to be honest.
I have a fair bit of free time on my hands to be honest, so just give me a shout if anyone wants music doing for anything, and obviously it's not going to be under any copyright or anything, all I ask is that my name be mentioned somewhere in the credits.
I am not a licensing guru or something, but I believe Creative Commons Attribution (alo Share Alike if you want) are fine choices: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3
Also you mentioned earlier mp3, which is NOT an acceptable format, the content should be available in a Free format (wav, ogg theora, flac - that is, for games that not use synthethised music).
I can do sound effects as well, and any other audio, voice clips with different people, whatever.
Just a thought (unrelated to the Games list): how about a sound theme for the Fedora desktop, to go along with the graphic theme in personalizing the Fedora experience?
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 15:50 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Chris Norman wrote:
It was this thread that gave me the idea to be honest.
I have a fair bit of free time on my hands to be honest, so just give me a shout if anyone wants music doing for anything, and obviously it's not going to be under any copyright or anything, all I ask is that my name be mentioned somewhere in the credits.
I am not a licensing guru or something, but I believe Creative Commons Attribution (alo Share Alike if you want) are fine choices: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3
I don't know anything about all that stuff, I'll just make a wave file (as per your idea below), and give it to the fedora comunity, and let them do whatever they want with it, providing my name is in the credits for the game.
Also you mentioned earlier mp3, which is NOT an acceptable format, the content should be available in a Free format (wav, ogg theora, flac - that is, for games that not use synthethised music).
I can do sound effects as well, and any other audio, voice clips with different people, whatever.
Just a thought (unrelated to the Games list): how about a sound theme for the Fedora desktop, to go along with the graphic theme in personalizing the Fedora experience?
What do you mean??? Sounds interesting.
Chris Norman wrote:
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 15:50 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Just a thought (unrelated to the Games list): how about a sound theme for the Fedora desktop, to go along with the graphic theme in personalizing the Fedora experience?
What do you mean??? Sounds interesting.
A full set of sound events to accompany the various events happening on the desktop (login, logout, application start/close, error message, etc.)
See here: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/sixfold-announcement.html - the part about "The freedesktop Sound Theme".
If you are interested in this I invite you to the fedora-art-list where you may find other people interested on helping with it.
Chris Norman wrote:
On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 07:13 -0500, Jon Ciesla wrote:
Hi all,
I don't know if this is the right place to do this, but I would like to offer my help to the gaming comunity. I am not personally a gamer, and I am visually impared, so I cannot test the greater number of games, what I can do is create music, and I would like to offer to help create music for any game that wants it.
If my help is required, just email me on this address (chris.norman4@ntlworld.com), with a description of the game, and what musical piece(s) you want, and I'll see what I can put together, and produce the music in either mp3 or wav format.
Sounds like you would be a good person for Hans de Goede to work with. We just had to remove or modify several games with non-free content, including music, and I bet Hans would jump at the chance to have something custom-created.
Hans?
It was this thread that gave me the idea to be honest.
I have a fair bit of free time on my hands to be honest, so just give me a shout if anyone wants music doing for anything, and obviously it's not going to be under any copyright or anything, all I ask is that my name be mentioned somewhere in the credits.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the offer! ATM the trouble some games from Parallel Realities use modtracker format music. The blobwars maintainer is currently looking into replacing it with similar sounding modules from modarchive.org, which carries modules which match Fedora demands with regards to Free-ness for music, but is not truely Free music (no modification permitted).
It would be nice to have really free music for blobwars (and others, but lets start with blobwars) esp so that it can be used by distributions with stricter licensing demands for music like Debian.
If you download the blobwars sources from their website you will find a music directory there with various music files. We are basicly looking for music with the same feel. Also I don't know if you can do this, but it would be great if you could create modtracker music for blobwars again, as that has a certain feel (a certain cheesiness) and is very small.
If you cannot do modtracker music we need to think thisn over a bit, as currently blobwars is only 8 MB, adding .ogg (mp3 level compression) music files to that is a huge size increase.
Regards,
Hans
2008/8/27 Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl:
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the offer! ATM the trouble some games from Parallel Realities use modtracker format music. The blobwars maintainer is currently looking into replacing it with similar sounding modules from modarchive.org, which carries modules which match Fedora demands with regards to Free-ness for music, but is not truely Free music (no modification permitted).
It would be nice to have really free music for blobwars (and others, but lets start with blobwars) esp so that it can be used by distributions with stricter licensing demands for music like Debian.
If you download the blobwars sources from their website you will find a music directory there with various music files. We are basicly looking for music with the same feel. Also I don't know if you can do this, but it would be great if you could create modtracker music for blobwars again, as that has a certain feel (a certain cheesiness) and is very small.
If you cannot do modtracker music we need to think thisn over a bit, as currently blobwars is only 8 MB, adding .ogg (mp3 level compression) music files to that is a huge size increase.
Hi Hans and Chris,
The Debian Games Team is following your steps in this, and fully supports your efforts. If you need or want any help from us at any point, just ask. We'd be very glad to do as much as we can.
Greetings, Miry
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:21 +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
Hi Hans and Chris,
The Debian Games Team is following your steps in this, and fully supports your efforts. If you need or want any help from us at any point, just ask. We'd be very glad to do as much as we can.
Unfortunately, my firewire mixer that I usually use has just gone back to Maudio for repare, so I will not be music making for about a week at the least, but it will be a top priority job when I get it back. In the mean time, if someone could tell me where to get the blobwars sources, then I can get my ideas roling.
I don't know what mod tracker music is, and I can only do music in wave or mp3 format, I will need to give it someone else for conversion.
HTH.
Greetings, Miry
Fedora-games-list mailing list Fedora-games-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-games-list
Chris Norman wrote:
On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 11:21 +0200, Miriam Ruiz wrote:
Hi Hans and Chris,
The Debian Games Team is following your steps in this, and fully supports your efforts. If you need or want any help from us at any point, just ask. We'd be very glad to do as much as we can.
Unfortunately, my firewire mixer that I usually use has just gone back to Maudio for repare, so I will not be music making for about a week at the least, but it will be a top priority job when I get it back. In the mean time, if someone could tell me where to get the blobwars sources, then I can get my ideas roling.
You can find the blobwars source here: http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/download.php?proj=blobwars&file=blobw...
I don't know what mod tracker music is, and I can only do music in wave or mp3 format, I will need to give it someone else for conversion.
modtracker music uses samples, together with information when to play which simple at which pitch (and volume) to create music, it was very popular in the amiga days, and on gravis ultrasound cards.
Regards,
Hans
"HdG" == Hans de Goede j.w.r.degoede@hhs.nl writes:
HdG> Thanks for the offer! ATM the trouble some games from Parallel HdG> Realities use modtracker format music.
I also wanted to point out that The FreeDink project is looking for sound and music. The code was freed a while back and but the sounds and music could not be. A reference: http://www.dinknetwork.com/forum.cgi?MID=94985&Posts=14 and the lost of needed sounds and music: http://www.freedink.org/doc/sounds/
Someone recently submitted FreeDink to Fedora in three packages; I haven't had much time to take a look. Those review tickets are: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459908 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459915 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459916 I believe the game simply plays without most of its sounds.
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On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 09:13:19AM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote:
Last I will be replacing the sound effects with sound effects from other free games in Fedora, mainly freedoom, nexuiz, tremulous, opearena and worminator.
The sound effects of Tremulous are also in question: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=466327
Steve