Hi,
Finally it happened...!
There is now a new quiet mailing list for discussion about Fedora Haskell development, packaging, etc:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/haskell
For a long time I felt the haskell-devel list (formerly fedora-haskell-list) is too noisy with bugzilla traffic for much normal discussion to take place so a new discussion mailing list simply named "haskell@l.fp.o" has now been created.
I encourage people on haskell-devel list to join the new mailing list (or move there if they prefer to avoid all the bugzilla mails). The haskell-devel list will continue to archive bugzilla mail, etc, which doesn't belong on a discussion list.
I hope this works well for us and leads to more efficient communication.
Thanks, Jens
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Hi Jens, On 02/14/2012 09:52 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:
I encourage people on haskell-devel list to join the new mailing list (or move there if they prefer to avoid all the bugzilla mails). The haskell-devel list will continue to archive bugzilla mail, etc, which doesn't belong on a discussion list.
The naming scheme seems a bit unintuitive, to someone used to the naming of our other mailing lists. Perhaps haskell-discuss or haskell-sig?
Renaming haskell-devel to haskell-scm, I guess, would not work as it gets Cc:ed on Bugzilla mail as well, as you have just noted.
Not that I couldn't live with this :)
Cheers,
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Hi Michel,
Thanks for your mail.
The naming scheme seems a bit unintuitive, to someone used to the naming of our other mailing lists. Perhaps haskell-discuss or haskell-sig?
I see, perhaps we should have given it more thought and discussed it first on haskell-devel list... I'd just had this on my "todo" list for a long time and was glad to finally action it! :)
Renaming haskell-devel to haskell-scm, I guess, would not work as it gets Cc:ed on Bugzilla mail as well, as you have just noted.
Actually bugzilla and FAS are still using fedora-haskell-list@r.c and should be changed to point to the fedora mailing list.
So in that sense maybe renaming haskell-devel to haskell-bugs could also be an option. I am not sure how good mailman is about renaming its lists though, but probably it is possible.
[It would be good if Fedora had a proper naming scheme for its naming lists but it doesn't seem to have a consistent one. And noone consulted us about the name "haskell-devel" which I didn't find particularly intuitive either (to me "haskell-devel" implies/suggests the existence of some other mailing list (eg haskell or haskell-discuss, etc), but I assume the intention was to make give somewhat specific names to the lists to show their intended topic).]
If we renamed haskell-devel to haskell-bugs say (I never worked yet how to get scm commits to reach haskell-devel) do you still think we need to rename "haskell" list?
I am ok with "haskell" or "haskell-discuss" (somehow "haskell-sig" sounds a bit exclusive - I'd like to see generally interested Fedora users not just those directly involved in packaging also joining the list to follow and contribute to discussion.
How do people think?
Jens
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On 02/14/2012 09:52 AM, Jens Petersen wrote:
Hi,
Finally it happened...!
There is now a new quiet mailing list for discussion about Fedora Haskell development, packaging, etc:
Apologies for two quick replies in a row; I omitted something in my previous email: our Gmane archive has somehow stopped working for the past few weeks. The launch of the new list seems, thus, like a good opportunity to fix that as well.
Jens, did you register the previous Haskell list with Gmane, or did someone else do it? Any decision on whether email addresses should be mangled when read through the Gmane interface, and whether we should allow posting through it?
Thanks,
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What's wrong with haskell@? For general discussion of Haskell there's the non-Fedora lists; I think the point of the new haskell@fedora list is human discussions relevant to the SIG / Haskell on Fedora. With that in mind I don't see a problem with this naming.
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On 02/15/2012 05:44 AM, dag.odenhall@gmail.com wrote:
What's wrong with haskell@? For general discussion of Haskell there's the non-Fedora lists; I think the point of the new haskell@fedora list is human discussions relevant to the SIG / Haskell on Fedora. With that in mind I don't see a problem with this naming.
I'm fine with haskell@ and haskell-bugs@, it's haskell@ and haskell-devel@ that I feel is odd (as compared to fedora@ and fedora-devel@).
Either haskell-discuss@ and haskell-bugs@, or even just haskell@ and haskell-bugs@, would be fine with me :)
Cheers,
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I'm fine with haskell@ and haskell-bugs@, it's haskell@ and haskell-devel@ that I feel is odd (as compared to fedora@ and fedora-devel@).
I guess as long as haskell-devel is mainly for bugzilla traffic then haskell-bugs makes sense. Of course the mailing-list is also the address of the haskell-sig pseudouser and in principle could also receive other mail in the future like scm commits, which could be one argument for keeping the name haskell-devel.
Anyway the pseudouser address needs to be updated anyway to the fp.o list. So any renaming could be done at the same time. Let me try to check later with fedora infrastructure how easy it is to rename a list anyway.
Jens
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