[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1509973] fonts/ everything profile installation fails because of missing dependencies
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1509973
Irina Gulina <igulina(a)redhat.com> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Status|ON_QA |VERIFIED
QA Contact|extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org |igulina(a)redhat.com
--- Comment #10 from Irina Gulina <igulina(a)redhat.com> ---
>> sudo docker run bikeshed bash -l -c "dnf --allowerasing install coreutils -y && dnf module install fonts/everything -y ; dnf module list"
successfully installs fonts/everything on Fedora-Modular-27-20171113.n.0:
<...>
urw-base35-z003-fonts.noarch 20170801-2.module_bedbd3b3
xorg-x11-server-utils.x86_64 7.7-23.module_fa1f7807
Complete!
Last metadata expiration check: 0:12:51 ago on Mon 13 Nov 2017 03:29:41 PM UTC.
Fedora Modular Server 27 - x86_64
Name Stream Version Profiles
389-ds 1.3 [d] 20171102233352 default
X11-base f27 [d][e] 20171103131108 default
apache-commons f27 [d] 20171018085030 default
autotools f27 [d] 20171018090442 default
bind 9 [d] 20171018084824 client, default, ...
cloud-init f27 [d] 20171017101923 default
fonts f27 [d][e] 20171109145641 default, everything [i]
freeipa 4.6 [d] 20171104182858 default
<...>
Hint: [d]efault, [e]nabled, [i]nstalled, [l]ocked
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1496761] "Noto Color Emoji" would be a better default emoji font than "Emoji One"
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1496761
--- Comment #17 from Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Jeremy Bicha from comment #16)
> (In reply to Bastien Nocera from comment #15)
> > We know all this, but decided that it was the best solution for this purpose
> > already. There should be discussions about this on the Fedora Workstation
> > list, as well as in the GNOME bugzilla and/or wiki. If in doubt about any of
> > those, I'd be happy repeating those arguments on the fontconfig list, if you
> > send an email there and CC: me.
>
> 1. I don't think you've had these conversations as broadly as you remember.
<snip>
> To summarize your position since you didn't mention it here: You don't want
> to use the same emoji as Android because you see the emoji choice as a brand
> recognition opportunity. I'm not sure our users will see it the same way.
Again, not the place to discuss this. I discussed this with Allan and Jakub,
who agreed with this choice, Behdad and Akira, who both agreed to give EmojiTwo
time to be built for our purposes, which we hope would happen within the next
year.
Most of those discussions happened nearly a year ago, with much shorter
discussions around GUADEC this year to re-affirm that EmojiOne would be chosen.
Some of the discussions which I thought happened on the public fontconfig list
actually happened in private. I'm not sure why the fontconfig maintainer CC:ed
folks instead of making the discussion happen on the list.
In any case, that ship has sailed. If you want to ship something else in
Ubuntu, or Debian, it's easy enough to do. If you want to have a discussion
about the default choice, again, here is not the place.
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1496761] "Noto Color Emoji" would be a better default emoji font than "Emoji One"
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1496761
--- Comment #16 from Jeremy Bicha <jbicha(a)ubuntu.com> ---
(In reply to Bastien Nocera from comment #15)
> We know all this, but decided that it was the best solution for this purpose
> already. There should be discussions about this on the Fedora Workstation
> list, as well as in the GNOME bugzilla and/or wiki. If in doubt about any of
> those, I'd be happy repeating those arguments on the fontconfig list, if you
> send an email there and CC: me.
1. I don't think you've had these conversations as broadly as you remember.
a. https://wiki.gnome.org/Design/OS/Emoji says nothing about preferring a
particular emoji font.
b. You shut this thread down immediately:
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/desktop@lists.fedoraproject...
c. I haven't been able to find any fontconfig list discussion of this issue.
d. This bug has been closed without hardly any discussion, and they were
closed by a fix that appears to me to be side-stepping the actual bug report
and title.
e. There was an October 23 Fedora Workstation meeting. Based on my reading of
the logs, I think it's fair to say that if it wasn't for your opinion, the team
would have decided the other direction (Noto instead of EmojiOne).
2. As far as Fedora 27 goes, it looks like the Emoji One decision is final. Ok.
I understand freezes and Fedora is welcome to make its own decisions.
3. Here are my objections:
a. You have said repeatedly (in the fontconfig commit and the October 23
meeting) that Emoji One/Two is GNOME's preferred emoji font.
b. EmojiTwo in its current form is unpackagable. Comment #14 here gives hope,
but currently that is vaporware.
Therefore, I expect many GNOME distros to be choosing Noto Color Emoji and so I
object to the characterization that this is GNOME's decision because I believe
you didn't actually talk to other GNOME distros about this.
To summarize your position since you didn't mention it here: You don't want to
use the same emoji as Android because you see the emoji choice as a brand
recognition opportunity. I'm not sure our users will see it the same way.
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[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1496761] "Noto Color Emoji" would be a better default emoji font than "Emoji One"
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https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1496761
Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com> changed:
What |Removed |Added
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Status|NEW |CLOSED
CC| |fonts-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproj
| |ect.org,
| |i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproje
| |ct.org, mclasen(a)redhat.com,
| |pnemade(a)redhat.com
Component|gnome-themes-standard |fontconfig
Fixed In Version| |fontconfig-2.12.6-3.fc27
| |fontconfig-2.12.6-3.fc26
Resolution|--- |ERRATA
Assignee|ignatenko(a)redhat.com |tagoh(a)redhat.com
Last Closed|2017-10-09 16:00:01 |2017-11-06 10:56:55
--- Comment #15 from Bastien Nocera <bnocera(a)redhat.com> ---
(In reply to Jeremy Bicha from comment #9)
> (In reply to Bastien Nocera from comment #2)
> > I sent an upstream patch to the list about this:
> > https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2017-October/thread.html
>
> Really? Where?
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/fontconfig/commit/?id=c41c9220181b203d1cf1f6...
> I hope you don't mind me reopening this for discussion for Fedora 28,
> especially since as far as I can tell Fedora 27 doesn't include a color
> emoji font by default.
That's a bug in gnome-themes-standard, not the bug we're discussing here about
fontconfig.
> As I'm sure you're aware, newer version of the emojione font are not
> redistributable.
We already know, it's written as such in the package spec file:
http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/eosrei-emojione-fonts.git/tree/eo...
> I looked at emojitwo today and it looks like it requires
> several grunt/node packages in order to build from source, but the emojitwo
> build documentation is non-existent so I may be wrong.
>
> So it's awkward for distros to package a dead font (emojione) and it's
> difficult for them to package emojitwo.
We know all this, but decided that it was the best solution for this purpose
already. There should be discussions about this on the Fedora Workstation list,
as well as in the GNOME bugzilla and/or wiki. If in doubt about any of those,
I'd be happy repeating those arguments on the fontconfig list, if you send an
email there and CC: me.
Resetting the status of the bug, as the problem in question was already fixed
in an errata.
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