[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1394198] New: In F25 Helvetica is substituted by TeX Gyre Heros which looks bad in greek

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            Bug ID: 1394198
           Summary: In F25 Helvetica is substituted by TeX Gyre Heros
                    which looks bad in greek
           Product: Fedora
           Version: 25
         Component: fontconfig
          Assignee: tagoh(a)redhat.com
          Reporter: alex.ploumistos(a)gmail.com
        QA Contact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
                CC: fonts-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
                    i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, pnemade(a)redhat.com,
                    tagoh(a)redhat.com



Created attachment 1219727
  --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=1219727&action=edit
Same facebook post in f24 and f25

After upgrading to F25 from F23 I noticed that some pages, e.g. facebook
displayed text in a weird-looking font (see attachment). It seems that after
the upgrade, fontconfig(?) considers TeX Gyre Heros as a more appropriate
Helvetica replacement than Nimbus Sans L.

In F25, fc-match Helvetica yields:
texgyreheros-regular.otf: "TeX Gyre Heros" "Regular"

while in F24:
n019003l.pfb: "Nimbus Sans L" "Regular"

I am looking at a laptop and a desktop, the first running F24 and the latter
F25. They both have n019003l.pfb in /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1/ and I can't
find any difference in the rules in /etc/fonts/ nor is there a local file that
overrides these settings. The only obvious difference is the line in which each
font is grep-ped in 45-latin.conf.

In F24:

$ grep -Rn 'Nimbus Sans\|TeX Gyre\|Helvetica' /etc/fonts/conf.d/
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:11:Helvetica               Nimbus Sans
            TeX Gyre Heros
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:12:Helvetica Condensed     Nimbus Sans
Narrow      TeX Gyre Heros Cn
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:13:Times                   Nimbus
Roman            TeX Gyre Termes
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:14:Courier                 Nimbus Mono
            TeX Gyre Cursor
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:15:ITC Avant Garde Gothic  URW Gothic 
            TeX Gyre Adventor
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:16:ITC Bookman             Bookman URW
            TeX Gyre Bonum     Bookman Old Style
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:17:ITC Zapf Chancery       Chancery
URW            TeX Gyre Chorus
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:18:Palatino                Palladio
URW            TeX Gyre Pagella   Palatino Linotype
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:19:New Century Schoolbook  Century
SchoolBook URW  TeX Gyre Schola    Century Schoolbook
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:42:   e.g. Arial to Helvetica
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:53:      <family>Nimbus Sans
L</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:55:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:60:      <family>Nimbus
Sans</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:62:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:67:      <family>TeX Gyre
Heros</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:69:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:74:      <family>Nimbus Sans
Narrow</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:76:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:81:      <family>TeX Gyre Heros
Cn</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:83:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:102:      <family>TeX Gyre
Termes</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:123:      <family>TeX Gyre
Cursor</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:151:      <family>TeX Gyre
Adventor</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:179:      <family>TeX Gyre
Bonum</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:214:      <family>TeX Gyre
Chorus</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:235:      <family>TeX Gyre
Pagella</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:263:      <family>TeX Gyre
Schola</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:401:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:408:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:433:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:440:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:464:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:466:      <family>TeX Gyre
Heros</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:467:      <family>Nimbus
Sans</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:468:      <family>Nimbus Sans
L</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:473:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:475:      <family>TeX Gyre Heros
Cn</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:476:      <family>Nimbus Sans
Narrow</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:483:      <family>TeX Gyre
Termes</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:492:      <family>TeX Gyre
Cursor</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:501:      <family>TeX Gyre
Adventor</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:511:      <family>TeX Gyre
Bonum</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:520:      <family>TeX Gyre
Chorus</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:530:      <family>TeX Gyre
Pagella</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:540:      <family>TeX Gyre
Schola</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf:76:            <family>ArmNet
Helvetica</family> <!-- armenian -->
/etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf:84:        <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf:100:        <family>Nimbus Sans L</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf:104:        <family>Nimbus Sans</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf:26:            <family>Nimbus Sans L</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf:27:            <family>Nimbus Sans</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf:28:            <family>Helvetica</family>

and in F25:

$ grep -Rn 'Nimbus Sans\|TeX Gyre\|Helvetica' /etc/fonts/conf.d/
/etc/fonts/conf.d/65-nonlatin.conf:76:            <family>ArmNet
Helvetica</family> <!-- armenian -->
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:11:Helvetica               Nimbus Sans
            TeX Gyre Heros
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:12:Helvetica Condensed     Nimbus Sans
Narrow      TeX Gyre Heros Cn
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:13:Times                   Nimbus
Roman            TeX Gyre Termes
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:14:Courier                 Nimbus Mono
            TeX Gyre Cursor
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:15:ITC Avant Garde Gothic  URW Gothic 
            TeX Gyre Adventor
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:16:ITC Bookman             Bookman URW
            TeX Gyre Bonum     Bookman Old Style
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:17:ITC Zapf Chancery       Chancery
URW            TeX Gyre Chorus
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:18:Palatino                Palladio
URW            TeX Gyre Pagella   Palatino Linotype
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:19:New Century Schoolbook  Century
SchoolBook URW  TeX Gyre Schola    Century Schoolbook
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:42:   e.g. Arial to Helvetica
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:53:      <family>Nimbus Sans
L</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:55:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:60:      <family>Nimbus
Sans</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:62:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:67:      <family>TeX Gyre
Heros</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:69:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:74:      <family>Nimbus Sans
Narrow</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:76:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:81:      <family>TeX Gyre Heros
Cn</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:83:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:102:      <family>TeX Gyre
Termes</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:123:      <family>TeX Gyre
Cursor</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:151:      <family>TeX Gyre
Adventor</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:179:      <family>TeX Gyre
Bonum</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:214:      <family>TeX Gyre
Chorus</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:235:      <family>TeX Gyre
Pagella</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:263:      <family>TeX Gyre
Schola</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:401:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:408:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:433:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:440:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:464:      <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:466:      <family>TeX Gyre
Heros</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:467:      <family>Nimbus
Sans</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:468:      <family>Nimbus Sans
L</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:473:      <family>Helvetica
Condensed</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:475:      <family>TeX Gyre Heros
Cn</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:476:      <family>Nimbus Sans
Narrow</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:483:      <family>TeX Gyre
Termes</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:492:      <family>TeX Gyre
Cursor</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:501:      <family>TeX Gyre
Adventor</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:511:      <family>TeX Gyre
Bonum</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:520:      <family>TeX Gyre
Chorus</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:530:      <family>TeX Gyre
Pagella</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/30-metric-aliases.conf:540:      <family>TeX Gyre
Schola</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf:128:        <family>Helvetica</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf:144:        <family>Nimbus Sans L</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/45-latin.conf:148:        <family>Nimbus Sans</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf:26:            <family>Nimbus Sans L</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf:27:            <family>Nimbus Sans</family>
/etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf:28:            <family>Helvetica</family>

Is there a setting some place else that I'm overlooking?

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--- Comment #1 from Alexander Ploumistos <alex.ploumistos(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
Hmm, it seems that texgyreheros-regular.otf was installed only on the F25
machine and it had been pulled in by lilypond. When I removed texlive-tex-gyre
which also caused dblatex, texlive-collection-fontsrecommended,
texlive-collection-htmlxml, texlive-manfnt-font, texlive-mflogo-font and
texlive-wasy2-ps to be removed, firefox reverted to Nimbus Sans L. That could
be a problem when I'll have to use TeX stuff again.

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--- Comment #2 from Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt; ---
It's a pity, TEX Gyre should be the most recent and complete replacement for
the original default PDF font. I know the authors spent quite a long time
making sure the metrics matched

Please relay your problems to TEX Gyre upstream

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--- Comment #3 from Alexander Ploumistos <alex.ploumistos(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
(In reply to Nicolas Mailhot from comment #2)
>  Please relay your problems to TEX Gyre upstream 
Will do later today.

Isn't the fact that the font took precedence over Nimbus an issue though?

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--- Comment #4 from Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot(a)laposte.net&gt; ---
Type one is a piss poor legacy font format, so there are probably apps that can
cope with TEX Gyre but not Nimbus. No good solution :(

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--- Comment #5 from Alexander Ploumistos <alex.ploumistos(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
Well, I reported the issue to the maintainer listed here:
http://mirrors.ctan.org/fonts/tex-gyre/doc/fonts/tex-gyre/README-TeX-Gyre...

Today I noticed that the same file reads: "If you know about European
languages that are not covered completely or if some glyphs have apparently
wrong shapes -- please let us know. Note, however, that Greek glyphs
bear provisional character." I guess that means it won't get fixed anytime
soon.

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--- Comment #6 from Alexander Ploumistos <alex.ploumistos(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
I heard back from the maintainers today and apparently there are some Greek
glyphs prepared by the Ghostscript team sometime last year, which are to be
included in TeX Gyre Heros. This has not happened yet, because of an
incompatibility between the two licenses and they are currently working to
resolve that.

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