[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1531985] New: UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying it as a script

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1531985

Bug ID: 1531985
           Summary: UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying
                    it as a script
           Product: Fedora
           Version: 27
         Component: cjkuni-ukai-fonts
          Assignee: [e-mail]
          Reporter: [e-mail]
        QA Contact: [e-mail]
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Description of problem:
AR PL UKai, as packaged by Fedora, does not take precedence over current
"script" placeholder Source Han Sans CN in a zh_CN locale. As a proper "script"
-- handwritten-y -- typeface, UKai should be prioritized over a printed-looking
Sans.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
0.2.20080216.1-56

How reproducible:
Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Install it
2. LC_ALL=zh_CN.utf8 fc-match -a script | less
3. Unpack the rpm, and go "uh"

Actual results:
UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying it as a script. It goes
way after SHSCN in fc output.

Expected results:
It should be before SHSCN.

Additional info:

[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1531985] UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying it as a script

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1531985

--- Comment #1 from Peng Wu  ---
I think maybe good to not change default Chinese fonts by installing fonts
packages.

If you want to change default Chinese fonts, please try fonts-tweak-tool.

UMing/UKai fonts are for Traditional Chinese, not for Simplified Chinese.

[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1531985] UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying it as a script

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--- Comment #2 from Mingye Wang  ---
> not change

In that case we got a broken default. We can remove the forced priority on
Source Han Sans, and fix fontconfig's 40-nonlatin instead.

Also, the UMing package still does a prepend, which is a weak attmpt at
changing the default.
> Simp

UMing/UKai come with CN variants, which are for Simplified Chinese.

[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1531985] UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying it as a script

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--- Comment #3 from Mingye Wang  ---
(Can we discuss the CN issue in #1531986 instead?)

[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1531985] UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying it as a cursive

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Mingye Wang  changed:

What    |Removed                     |Added
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            Summary|UKai does not come with a   |UKai does not come with a
                   |fontconfig file specifying  |fontconfig file specifying
                   |it as a script              |it as a cursive

[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1531985] UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying it as a cursive

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--- Comment #4 from Cheng-Chia Tseng  ---
There are some generic font families with different definitions: sans-serif,
serif, monospace, cursive and script.

Kaiti or Kai is more of a cursive font or script font.

Here is a rough mapping between the generic font families and the Chinese
typefaces:

Sans-serif to 黑體
Serif to 宋體/明體
Monospace to 英文字母寬度為中文字寬度一半的任何字型 (any Chinese fonts whose Latin glyph width is
half of the Chinese character)
Cursive to 楷體/草書
Script to 楷體/手寫體

The relationship above is widely accepted and used in Chinese publishing
industry, especially on Web and EPUB.

I agree and suggest to see AR PL UKai font as a Cursive font as in the general
font family.

PS. I don't think Mingye is trying to change the default Chinese font by his
description. That issue seems to be out of what he is trying to talk about.

[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 1531985] UKai does not come with a fontconfig file specifying it as a cursive

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--- Comment #5 from Mingye Wang  ---
Reconfirmed this issue with `fc-match -a cursive:lang=zh-cn | less`. Source Han
Sans is, again, first on the list.

The connection between cursive/script is indeed wobbly. In theory cursive
should only have things that are, well, cursive like Zapfino[1] and 草, but
since there isn't one family for a more slowly-written script it is used for
"elementary school level" script fonts like 楷 and Comic Sans[2] as well.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapfino
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Sans

Fontconfig's 60-latin runs "cursive" in this sequence:

1. ITC Zapf Chancery Std[3]
2. Zapfino[1]
3. Comic Sans[2]

From [3] you can see Zaph Chancery isn't as "cursive" as Zapfino either; it's
more like an in-between handwitten script. In Chinese terminology you may call
it a 行?

[3]: https://www.linotype.com/850/itc-zapf-chancery-family.html

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