[Bug 834368] New: Lohit Telugu does not have the Latin character set

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            Bug ID: 834368
        QA Contact: extras-qa(a)fedoraproject.org
          Severity: high
           Version: rawhide
          Priority: unspecified
                CC: fonts-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org,
                    i18n-bugs(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, psatpute(a)redhat.com
          Assignee: psatpute(a)redhat.com
           Summary: Lohit Telugu does not have the Latin character set
        Regression: ---
      Story Points: ---
    Classification: Fedora
                OS: All
          Reporter: gopal.iiit(a)gmail.com
              Type: Bug
     Documentation: ---
          Hardware: All
        Mount Type: ---
            Status: NEW
         Component: lohit-telugu-fonts
           Product: Fedora

Description of problem:

The Lohit Telugu font does not come with the default Latin character set which
has all the symbols such as hyphen, comma etc. As a result, it is unusable in
typesetting, especially in Latex.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
All releases

How reproducible:
Every time the font is used.

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Use latex to typeset a Telugu document
2. Compile
3. Open PDF

Actual results:
None of the symbols such as full-stop, comma, hyphen appear. Instead they are
reported as missing in the font.

Expected results:
All the symbols appear properly in the output PDF.

Additional info:

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A S Alam <aalam(a)redhat.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
           Keywords|                            |i18n, Triaged
            Summary|Lohit Telugu does not have  |[te_IN] Lohit Telugu does
                   |the Latin character set     |not have the Latin
                   |                            |character set

--- Comment #1 from A S Alam <aalam(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
lohit-telugu-fonts-2.5.1-2.fc17.noarch

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--- Comment #2 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Yes, we are facing this problem from long time.
Will soon add Latin characters in Lohit all fonts.

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Shriramana Sharma <samjnaa(a)gmail.com&gt; changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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                 CC|                            |samjnaa(a)gmail.com

--- Comment #3 from Shriramana Sharma <samjnaa(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
By Latin characters I presume only the script-neutral punctuation marks and
numerals are meant. These are already seen in at least Lohit Tamil and Lohit
Devanagari fonts. 

Do you think it very important to include Latin basic alphabet A-Z a-z?

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--- Comment #4 from Gopala Krishna Koduri <gopal.iiit(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
It will be useful to include all three of them: punctuation marks, numerals and
basic alphabet. At least in Latex, we have to resort to a strange fix to deal
with it:
http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/60709/change-the-font-of-hyphencha...

But of course, puncuation marks and numerals have higher priority.

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--- Comment #5 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Yes, we should have that.
1. Some systems does not fallback to default latin fonts if selected font does
not have Latin shapes.

2. Some time default selected Latin font is not matching with Lohit style. 

So its better to have that.

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--- Comment #6 from Shriramana Sharma <samjnaa(a)gmail.com&gt; ---
Created attachment 600461
  --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=600461&action=edit
Sample of Latin script DejaVu Sans font homogenously mixed with Lohit
Devanagari and Tamil fonts

Frankly while I do not have any objection to the inclusion of script-neutral
(i.e. script=common) characters like the international numerals or punctuation
or such, I think it is inadvisable for the Lohit fonts to have Latin alphabets
i.e. characters which are script=latin. The Lohit project IMHO is for Indic
scripts and whatever script-neutral characters are part and parcel of Indic
script orthography. If we start maintaining Latin characters, we would be
over-extending our bounds IMHO. 

There would arise questions like what subset of the huge Latin repertoire are
we going to support. Just A-Za-z? But people who are working with Indic
scripts, especially scholars like me, are bound to have requirements for the
Indic transliteration letters like ĀāĪīŪū and so on. Are we going to include
them and maintain them also? And some European scholars of Indic matters will
be using their language text with Indic scripts, so should we include
c-cedilla, a-acute etc etc? What about Russian scholars?

The DejaVu fonts project is already there to provide a full extended repertoire
of Latin (and other European and non-European) script characters. DejaVu Sans
is quite homogenously mixable with Lohit fonts. I personally recommend using
DejaVu Sans for Latin/European scripts in combination with Lohit fonts for
Indic scripts.

For illustration, please find attached a document which I finished just today
in which I have used Lohit Devanagari and Lohit Tamil fonts with DejaVu Sans.
Same Sanskrit text is presented in three scripts including Latin
transliteration using diacritics in DejaVu Sans. I am personally a very picky
person as to the presentation and font stylistic intercompatibility etc, and I
myself feel that DejaVu is more than enough for using Latin (or other European)
script text along with Lohit fonts.

Please let us not over-extend our domain.

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--- Comment #7 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
Yes agree with you.
We are only going to support "Basic Latin". That is also due to specific
problem we are facing.

Thanks for your patch i will check it and commit.

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--- Comment #8 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
I thought you provided font with addition of characters, sorry.
Yes, Dejavu sans match with Lohit.

Problem is Dejavu and Lohit licenses are different.

I think we can go with Liberation Sans and Lohit both are now under OFL.
Sending mail to lohit devel lets discuss there.

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--- Comment #12 from Pravin Satpute <psatpute(a)redhat.com&gt; ---
In upstream Lohit, we already having discussions with Dave for getting support
for Latin in all Lohit fonts. 

I would like to close and track this in upstream.
https://github.com/pravins/lohit/issues/69

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           What    |Removed                     |Added
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             Status|NEW                         |CLOSED
         Resolution|---                         |UPSTREAM
        Last Closed|                            |2015-06-18 08:23:24



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