[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 960628] New: Cannot save translation without conversion specifiers in source string
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Bug ID: 960628 Summary: Cannot save translation without conversion specifiers in source string Product: Fedora Version: 19 Component: transifex Severity: unspecified Priority: unspecified Assignee: domingobecker@gmail.com Reporter: jmatsuzawa@gnome.org QA Contact: extras-qa@fedoraproject.org CC: bazanluis20@gmail.com, diegobz@gmail.com, domingobecker@gmail.com, i18n-bugs@lists.fedoraproject.org, r.landmann@redhat.com, rakesh.pandit@gmail.com Category: ---
Created attachment 744766 --> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=744766&action=edit Screenshot showing this problem
Description of problem: If a translated string does not have the same conversion specifiers in the source string, saving it fails with the error which says "The expression '%e' is not present in the translation". I've attached a screenshot showing this problem. Please refer to it.
I think translations like that should be accepted. Some format strings like date-time formats does not always need to have the same specifiers in the original texts.
Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable): N/A
How reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce: 1. Open a string with one or more conversion specifiers on Transifex 2. Translate it into a string without the same specifiers 3. Press the save button.
Actual results: Transifex says "The expression '%e' is not present in the translation" and translations are not saved.
Expected results: Translations are saved normally.
Additional info: A workaround is to upload a PO file instead of saving translations on the web interface editor.
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John Dennis jdennis@redhat.com changed:
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--- Comment #1 from John Dennis jdennis@redhat.com --- Careful, this is very dangerous territory. We've had very bad problems in the past where translators have not maintained format specifiers. The result is the application will throw an error, possibly fully aborting. What makes this nasty is this will occur for one locale which had bad msgstr's with bad format specifiers. This presents a QE nightmare where the application has to be tested in every locale to make sure just one bad translation does not crash the application.
To solve this problem we've written tools that analyzes every po file downloaded from TX to make sure substitutions done via format conversions are not lost or managled. I'm thrilled that TX has now apparently added consistency checks to prevent these problems much like we've been forced to do. FWIW our tools also enforce the use of named and/or indexed substitutions so that translators can reorder.
I absolutely do not want translators unilaterally changing format specifiers. Translators generally do not have enough information and awareness of coding practices in each programming language to override the intentions of the original programmer. Any mistakes have the potential to crash the application.
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--- Comment #2 from Jiro Matsuzawa jmatsuzawa@gnome.org --- Hi John,
I know your point and partly agree with you about that check system is needed. But, when it comes to time formats, we sometimes need to change their specifiers depending on a target locale. For exmaple, the string ("%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Z %Y") on the screenshot I attached, which is a time format for login history, is not applicable at least for Japanese. It would be better in the respect of UI if specifiers like that could be customized for target locales.
How about warning translators about mismatching format specifiers and potential risks instead of rejecting them as error?
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--- Comment #3 from John Dennis jdennis@redhat.com --- Time formats are a narrow case with issues unique to them. You have to be fairly smart to understand what you're looking at is a strftime format and how it's arguments are passed in different programming languages.
Maybe the consistency checker needs to be aware of different formatting domains, i.e. printf, strftime, etc. and apply rules unique to that context.
FWIW it's not entirely clear to me that strftime conversions should even be appearing in a msgid.
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--- Comment #4 from Fedora Admin XMLRPC Client fedora-admin-xmlrpc@redhat.com --- This package has changed ownership in the Fedora Package Database. Reassigning to the new owner of this component.
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Ding-Yi Chen dchen@redhat.com changed:
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--- Comment #5 from Ding-Yi Chen dchen@redhat.com --- Output of LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 date +"%a %b %e %H:%M:%S %Z %Y"
月 7月 28 17:39:38 EST 2014
Yes, it does cause confusing on Monday.
Actually I would suggests that ask upstream to change it to "%x %X" or even "%c".
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