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Summary: light blue ibus icon is not obvious
           Product: Fedora
           Version: rawhide
          Platform: All
        OS/Version: Linux
            Status: NEW
          Severity: medium
          Priority: low
         Component: ibus
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                CC: [e-mail], [e-mail],
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   Estimated Hours: 0.0
    Classification: Fedora
    Target Release: ---

Description of problem:
The ibus icon in the panel is not obvious and hard for first-time users to
understand.

Steps to Reproduce:
1. start fedora desktop with ibus
2. try to find out how to control IM

Actual results:
2. The current icon has no obvious connection with keyboard or input other than
'i'.

Expected results:
Clearer icon which new users can quickly recognise as for inputs.

Additional info:
Actually I would like to change the panel UI so that it more obvious what the
current input method is when ibus is off.

eg It could show a cross over the IME icon to show that IM is off,
a bit like gnome-power-manager's inhibit applet for example.
Or maybe we don't need custom icons for IMEs and just use
a character for each IME to represent it and display that in the applet.

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--- Comment #1 from Máirín Duffy   2009-05-18 11:39:23 EDT ---
Created an attachment (id=344459)
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--- Comment #2 from Máirín Duffy   2009-05-18 11:40:31 EDT ---
icon should be 24x24 for panel...

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--- Comment #3 from Mike Langlie   2009-05-19 13:46:07 EDT ---
I made a new icon combining a blank keyboard key and globe to indicate
potential choice of input method language. The color should match the existing
iBus set.

PNGs can be found here:
http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/wiki/IBus

If people like the icon I will make SVGs.

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--- Comment #4 from Mike Langlie   2009-05-20 13:30:15 EDT ---
Working on alternate ideas. Including angled, multiple keys with international
characters.

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--- Comment #5 from Huang Peng   2009-05-24 23:32:07 EDT ---
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> I made a new icon combining a blank keyboard key and globe to indicate
> potential choice of input method language. The color should match the existing
> iBus set.
>
> PNGs can be found here:
> http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/wiki/IBus
>
> If people like the icon I will make SVGs.

Thanks. It looks good. And wait for your next ideas.

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--- Comment #6 from Jens Petersen   2009-05-25 19:57:15 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #3)
> http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/wiki/IBus

Take 1 looks ok to me (I am less interested in the specific chars in take 2 and
3).  Not sure if we really need the world in the background.

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--- Comment #7 from Huang Peng   2009-05-25 20:18:37 EDT ---
I think 22x22 and 24x24 are more important. IBus uses them on SysTray area and
language panel. We should make sure they are clear for users. I think
characters in 22x22 and 24x24 icons are little small.

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--- Comment #8 from Jens Petersen   2009-05-25 22:44:42 EDT ---
If it is svg can't the panel applet scale the icon, anyway?

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--- Comment #9 from Huang Peng   2009-05-26 01:04:34 EDT ---
svg can be scaled. But some icons does not look good in 22x22 or 24x24. Because
the icon is too small, some details of icons will be lost.

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--- Comment #10 from Mike Langlie   2009-05-26 13:24:49 EDT ---
I added a new (4th) icon. It's a full keyboard with a globe as an emblem.

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--- Comment #12 from Jens Petersen   2009-06-21 22:26:00 EDT ---
So how about adopting one of these icons or do we need changes?

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--- Comment #13 from Jens Petersen   2009-07-28 04:33:20 EDT ---
Mike, that was very timely.

Now I like the newest icon best. :)

Phuang, how about with go with take4 for F12?
If you are ok then can you add it upstream?

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--- Comment #14 from Jens Petersen   2009-07-28 05:12:48 EDT ---
If so let's ask Mike to prepare a svg.

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--- Comment #15 from Jens Petersen   2009-08-19 03:30:08 EDT ---
Hi Mike can you make a svg of take-4 for us?

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--- Comment #16 from Máirín Duffy   2009-08-19 15:37:43 EDT ---
Hi Jens. Mike is no longer with Red Hat. Is the SVG required? Usually we ship
PNGs so they are pixel-perfect for the required sizes. If you really need an
SVG version I can do it - I'm guessing the SVG shold be optimized for 48x48 the
same as the scalable icon versions in the gnome icon theme are?

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--- Comment #17 from Huang Peng   2009-08-20 01:51:01 EDT ---
If it is convenient, please provide both SVG and PNG format for each sizes. And
we could try them in application. Thanks.

BTW, I think take-4 could remove the earth and make the keyboard bigger, and
than it will become more obvious to indicate the current input states.

Another thing. Could you help to create a beautiful project logo for ibus?

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--- Comment #18 from Máirín Duffy   2009-08-21 10:18:29 EDT ---
Hi Huang!

Mike already provided the icon in various sizes:

http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/w/images/8/81/IBus4-16.png
http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/w/images/c/cd/IBus4-22.png
http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/w/images/c/c5/IBus4-24.png
http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/w/images/7/7c/IBus4-32.png

It seems he left out 48x48 so I've created this for you, plus an SVG version of
48x48:

http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/w/images/c/ca/IBus4-48.png
http://productdesign.usersys.redhat.com/w/images/0/02/IBus4-48.svg

I don't agree that we could remove the earth from the icon and I'll tell you
why - this icon builds on the standard keyboard icon in the gnome-icon-theme.
The globe distinguishes it from the general keyboard settings icon by having
the globe, which in comparison is needed to make it clear it's specifically for
i18n-related keyboard set up. Does it make more sense to you to have the globe
now?

I would be delighted to help you with creating a project logo for ibus. What do
you intend to use it for - it's not going to be used as an icon or anything
right? Are you going to create a webpage about ibus or use it for the
documentation or upstream project? Let me know, that will help me figure out
how to format the logo.

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--- Comment #19 from Huang Peng   2009-08-24 02:05:04 EDT ---
Created an attachment (id=358401)
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The screenshot of the system tray bar.

Just tried the new icon. Its contrast is too low, especially on panel with
white or gray background color (Please look the attached picture). I think we
need a colorful icon, and it should have high contrast, and it is better that
graphics (the earth and the keyboard) have clear outline.

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--- Comment #20 from Máirín Duffy   2009-08-24 10:11:40 EDT ---
Hi Huang, which version of the icon are you using there? It looks like it's the
wrong size and it's getting aliased.

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--- Comment #21 from Huang Peng   2009-08-24 23:12:07 EDT ---
I used the IBus4-48.svg. Should I try the IBus4-22.png or 16?

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--- Comment #22 from Huang Peng   2009-08-25 03:02:28 EDT ---
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I tried 22x22, it is better.

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--- Comment #23 from Huang Peng   2009-08-25 03:38:56 EDT ---
Do you have all size icons in svg format? Please share them. Thanks.

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--- Comment #24 from Máirín Duffy   2009-08-25 12:31:28 EDT ---
Hi Huang,

Like I mentioned in comment #16, we typically only use icons in PNG format, and
keep a scalable version of the 48x48 icon available - this is the way the
default icon set gnome-icon-theme works.

It would be a lot of extra work for me to produce SVGs for all the sizes. Is
there some reason you can't use PNGs?

Thanks.

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--- Comment #25 from Huang Peng   2009-08-25 20:55:57 EDT ---
This icon is used on system tray bar. Generally, the height of the panel is 24,
so the 22x22 png is OK. But if user set panel's height to 48 or bigger, this
icon can not be displayed clearly. And this icon is not a theme icon in
gnome-icon-theme, currently it is installed by ibus. I don't know how to
install several different size icons. So I want have an icon in svg format, and
it could be displayed in small & big size clearly.

BTW, if gnome-icon-theme could add some icons for input method, it will be
perfect. Is it possible to add some input methods icons into gnome-icon-theme?
If the theme provides those icons,  I think ibus could choice icons from theme
by default, and if im icons do not exist, ibus will pick up icon installed by
self.

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--- Comment #26 from Jens Petersen   2009-08-25 23:19:39 EDT ---
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> So I want have an icon in svg format, and
> it could be displayed in small & big size clearly.

Right, so isn't one 48px svg icon sufficient?

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--- Comment #27 from Máirín Duffy   2009-08-25 23:43:51 EDT ---
Hi Huang,

Have you tried resizing your panel from 24 px tall to 48 px tall? For me, in
F11 in GNOME, if I size my panel up from 24 px tall to 48 px tall, GNOME
automatically looks up and grabs the 48px size PNG file, if available. Try it
now and you'll see what I mean. As long as you install the icons to the correct
directories using the correct format, resizing PNG icons in the panel is not a
concern.

You should not use the SVG of the icon, it will not be pixel-perfect, the
rendering library GNOME uses to render SVGs is slow and buggy, and it isn't
standard practice to use SVG icons. You should instead use the provided PNG
icons.

If you need help, please refer to the "Directory Layout" section of the GNOME
Icon Theme spec: http://library.gnome.org/devel/icon-theme-spec/

I do believe what this will involve is installing the appropriate icon to each
of the following directories:

- /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16 
- /usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22 
- /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24 
- /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32 
- /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48

I don't know if the gnome-icon-theme provides input-method icons but from my
perusal of the directory it appears not. I do not see any icons for this
mentioned in the freedesktop icon spec either:
http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-naming-spec/icon-naming-spec-latest.ht...

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--- Comment #28 from Huang Peng   2009-08-26 04:10:16 EDT ---
Thanks for providing those detail information. I will try it.

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--- Comment #29 from Jens Petersen   2009-08-26 04:52:33 EDT ---
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> Could you help to create a beautiful project logo for ibus?

Mairin, I think phuang was hoping that a nice project logo
could also be created for ibus at the same time
since ibus is largely driven by fedora.
Is that something you could help with? :)

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--- Comment #30 from Máirín Duffy   2009-08-26 09:34:02 EDT ---
Hi Jens, I'd be happy to help with a logo :) For me to understand how to best
format it though, I need to know how you folks intend to use it - is this for a
project web page? An About dialog? A banner? Is it going to be the upstream
logo for the project?

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--- Comment #31 from Huang Peng   2009-08-26 22:46:04 EDT ---
Mairin, This icon will be used in desktop file, and in about dialog. And we
also need a picture in project web page (http://code.google.com/p/ibus), the
size is a maximum of 153 x 55 pixels (it may be same with the icon).

Some information about ibus, maybe is useful for making the pictures.
It is an input methods framework, it manages all input method engines in
system.
It is bus center architecture, all engines and clients establish connection to
ibus, and them transfer messages between each others via the ibus.

I don't know if you use any input methods. The input methods are for
non-English users, especially for CJKI, it receives input from user typing, and
converts several ASCII chars to one or more CJKI chars by some logic.

FYI, Below are some refs to other input method frameworks.
http://www.fcitx.org/main/
http://www.scim-im.org/

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--- Comment #32 from Máirín Duffy   2009-08-27 00:48:30 EDT ---
Hi Huang,

Okay, cool. So the logo could be horizontally wide, but if you're going to do a
logo icon too it should probably be just part of the logo iconified.

I've used ibus once before but only briefly tried it; I'm used to doing
Japanese input in SCIM. I'll try to find some screenshots of ibus so i can get
a feel for how it looks.

Do you have a hard deadline for when this new work should be completed?

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--- Comment #33 from Huang Peng   2009-08-27 05:01:21 EDT ---
It does not have a hard deadline, but earlier is better. :)

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--- Comment #34 from Huang Peng   2009-08-28 02:32:34 EDT ---
The new icons has been included in this build
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=129611

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It is probably better to work on the project icon separately upstream.

So I think this bug can probably be closed now.

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--- Comment #38 from fujiwara  2010-07-08 22:08:04 EDT ---
If none has any problems, I'll close this bug next week.

[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 501214] need better logo and panel icons: light blue ibus icon is not obvious

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--- Comment #39 from Fedora Admin XMLRPC Client  2010-08-02 02:09:24 EDT ---
This package has changed ownership in the Fedora Package Database.  Reassigning
to the new owner of this component.

[Fedora-i18n-bugs] [Bug 501214] need better logo and panel icons: light blue ibus icon is not obvious

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