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Re: [Fwd: Droid fallback CJK and fontconfig?]
by Nicolas Mailhot 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Le dimanche 23 novembre 2008 à 09:47 -0500, Qianqian Fang a écrit : > hi Nicolas > The Han glyphs in Droid fallback pretty much follow the Han-unification > as in the unicode documentations. That means they look very much close > to what Chinese mainland users preferred. The style is Heiti, which is like > ttf-wqy-zenhei and is essentially a sans-serif style. There are 16,502 Hanzi > in the CJK basic block, which is the union of GB2312 and Big5 charsets. > Because this font is targeted at memory-limited devices, there are > 15,524 Han glyphs were composed by references, the rest are stand-alone > outline glyphs which can not be decomposed into components. > It contains no embedded bitmaps, but the outline quality is very good. > I believe most zh_* users will be very happy if this font will be used > as desktop font (the current zh_* font on Fedora is wqy-bitmapfont > which is also using the Han-unification forms). It may be a little bit > difficult for Japanese and Korean users though. […] > Just a few more words about default Chinese font settings. > > There seem be a distinct dividing line among the Chinese > users for their font preferences: on one side of the line, > they really prefer sharp-looking bitmaped Chinese glyphs, while, > the other side have strong preference in the smooth-looking of > AA-ed vector rendering. The contradictions between these two > groups can be constantly felt in almost all Chinese Linux > forums. So, would the attached fontconfig file be ok according to your knowledge of Chinese users? (installed as 65-google-droid-sans-fallback.conf) I'm quite happy to learn that even among Chinese people prefer vector fonts. I prefer them myself, and IMHO they are the future anyway :p. However, to keep everyone happy, can you share with us what your declinaison of vector/bitmap fontconfig rules would be for Droid? It's quite easy for me to put two different files in the rpm, with only one linked in /etc/conf.d/ by default. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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[Fwd: Droid fallback CJK and fontconfig?]
by Nicolas Mailhot 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

Hi, As you probably know Google has released a Droid font set as part of its Android platform. While the font licensing is being clarified https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472635 (Fedora packaging blocker) I've taken a quick look at the font files. The set includes a huge "Droid Sans Fallback" font with CJK coverage. Could the CJK folks take a look at it and tell me how this font should be treated: as Japanese-only, Chinese-only, Korean-only before/after current CJK defaults, etc? Han unification means someone will probably not be happy about it. I've uploaded preliminary droid packages there http://nim.fedorapeople.org/fontpackages/ so people can check them out. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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[Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Droid fallback CJK and fontconfig?]]
by Qianqian Fang 23 Nov '08

23 Nov '08

resend to i18n list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Fwd: Droid fallback CJK and fontconfig?] Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:47:51 -0500 From: Qianqian Fang <fangqq(a)gmail.com> To: fedora-fonts-list(a)redhat.com, Fedora internationalization discussions <fedora-i18n-list(a)redhat.com> CC: Joe Onorato <joeo(a)android.com> References: <1227446605.20262.11.camel(a)arekh.okg> hi Nicolas As we discussed last time, I've sent email asking for official confirmation and clarifications of the license in the font metadata. I am now waiting to hear back from them (message attached). The Han glyphs in Droid fallback pretty much follow the Han-unification as in the unicode documentations. That means they look very much close to what Chinese mainland users preferred. The style is Heiti, which is like ttf-wqy-zenhei and is essentially a sans-serif style. There are 16,502 Hanzi in the CJK basic block, which is the union of GB2312 and Big5 charsets. Because this font is targeted at memory-limited devices, there are 15,524 Han glyphs were composed by references, the rest are stand-alone outline glyphs which can not be decomposed into components. It contains no embedded bitmaps, but the outline quality is very good. I believe most zh_* users will be very happy if this font will be used as desktop font (the current zh_* font on Fedora is wqy-bitmapfont which is also using the Han-unification forms). It may be a little bit difficult for Japanese and Korean users though. As this font does not provide the full coverage to all CJK glyphs, in the mean time, I believe the current national standards and regulations in mainland China prefer GBK (same as CJK unified ideographs), or even GB18030 (CJK basic+CJK Ext. A) coverage, so, I've planned to extend this font to at least GBK charset. That means to complete about 4500 glyphs. I and a friend are now working on an online tool to allow people to compose new glyphs from existing Droid components. It is almost working, you can browse the following link for a sample output: (need to view with firefox 3.x) http://wenq.org/enindex.cgi?ViewGlyph#SFD/Droid/%E8%85%AA the GUI is at http://wenq.org/enindex.cgi?BezierGlyph but it only has Chinese instructions so far. Once the license is sorted out, we will start promoting this project among the Chinese users, and make our way toward a more complete CJK font with this extension. I also planned to look into the reference glyphs and seek the possibility of further compression of the font. Similar to the current ttf-wqy-zenhei settings, Chinese users will also be happy to see a mono-spaced face co-existing with the regular face in ttc form. Qianqian Joe Onorato wrote: > Hi Qianqian, > > I'll follow up with the people responsible for fonts. > > -joe > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Qianqian Fang <fangqq(a)gmail.com > <mailto:fangqq@gmail.com>> wrote: > > hi Joe > > A few weeks ago, I posted a question on android-discussion group, > asking about the droid font licenses: > > http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/3c60867… > <http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss/browse_thread/thread/3c60867…> > > I really appreciate your feedback and confirmation on the license > matter. > > As I am an maintainer for an open-source font project, I also > maintain a few CJKV font packages for Fedora. Recently, I > mentioned my plan of making derived fonts from Droid > font family at fedora's font list, the people in charge appeared > to be very careful, and warned me to obtain a more "official" > clarification on the license before taking further actions. You > can see our discussions at > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fonts-list/2008-November/msg00009.ht… > > We both felt that the best way to make the clarifications is to state > it in the metadata section of the font, there are dedicated > "License Description" > and "License Info URL" fields in the name table to specify the > font licenses: > > http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/opentype/index_name.html > > I am wondering if it is possible for android team to update the font > files and clarify the licenses. In this way, people's confusion on > the fonts > and the sdk package will completely go away. > > If you or your team member do have the plan to make this > change, I would be appreciated if you can let me know when > the updated fonts are pushed into svn, so I can mobilize my > team to start planned works around these fonts. > > thank you so much for your time and looking forward to your reply. > > Qianqian > > Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Hi, > > As you probably know Google has released a Droid font set as part of its > Android platform. While the font licensing is being clarified > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=472635 > (Fedora packaging blocker) I've taken a quick look at the font files. > > The set includes a huge "Droid Sans Fallback" font with CJK coverage. > Could the CJK folks take a look at it and tell me how this font should > be treated: as Japanese-only, Chinese-only, Korean-only before/after > current CJK defaults, etc? Han unification means someone will probably > not be happy about it. > > I've uploaded preliminary droid packages there > http://nim.fedorapeople.org/fontpackages/ > > so people can check them out. > > Regards, > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > Fedora-i18n-list mailing list > Fedora-i18n-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list _______________________________________________ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list

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i18n-team FAS pseudo user
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

There is now a "i18n-team" pseudo-user in FAS to make it easy to auto CC i18n bugs of i18n packages to fedora-i18n-bugs. If you send me a list of your packages that should auto-CC fedora-i18n-bugs in bugzilla I will add i18n-team as CC to Fedora Package Db for your packages. Please also use "InitialCC: i18n-team" in all future package cvsadmin requests for new i18n related packages: this will make it easier to track all i18n bugs. Thanks, Jens

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Fwd: Fedora 11 font package changes proposal (renames, splits, etc)
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 10 Nov '08

10 Nov '08

FYI: this proposal will affect various fonts packages maintained by fedora-i18n members. Please follow up in fedora-fonts-list if you have comments. Jens

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