[Fedora-i18n-list] Test feedback (GIMLET)

[Pete Zaitcev]

Reporter: [e-mail]

Product and version number:

Fedora 1

Desktop environment and version number:

gtk2-2.2.4-5.1

Short description of observation:

In Japanese mode, GIMLET is invisible in the task tray when switched
to ASCII.

Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):

iiimf-gtk-11.4-1.FC1.2
iiimf-le-canna-11.4-1.FC1.2

How reproducible:

always

Steps to Reproduce:

1. Enabled GIMLET in the task bar (Right Click on task bar,
   -> Add to Panel -> Utilities -> InputMethod Switcher)

2. Open GIMLET, add Japanese. Japanese appears in the menu now.
   There is nothing in the taks bar! It's the bug, but go on...

3. Focus on an application (gnome-terminal or gvim), click into GIMLET
   and switch it to Japanese. "A" kana appears, so you know where
   applet is.

4. Type Ctrl-SPACE to switch between kana and ASCII. When in ASCII,
   applet is invisible in the task bar. It is visible on mouse-over though.

5.

Additional info:

[Yu Shao]

Pete Zaitcev wrote:
> Reporter: [e-mail]
>
> Product and version number:
>
> Fedora 1
>
> Desktop environment and version number:
>
> gtk2-2.2.4-5.1
>
> Short description of observation:
>
> In Japanese mode, GIMLET is invisible in the task tray when switched
> to ASCII.
>
> Version-Release number of selected component (if applicable):
>
> iiimf-gtk-11.4-1.FC1.2
> iiimf-le-canna-11.4-1.FC1.2
>
> How reproducible:
>
> always
>
> Steps to Reproduce:
> Enabled GIMLET in the task bar (Right Click on task bar,
>
> -> Add to Panel -> Utilities -> InputMethod Switcher)
> Open GIMLET, add Japanese. Japanese appears in the menu now.
>
> There is nothing in the taks bar! It's the bug, but go on...

Japanese LE doesn't have status text in English mode, so it hides 
itself, it is blank anyway. The recent Japanese LE added the status 
information in, you can try the latest build.

Yu Shao
> Focus on an application (gnome-terminal or gvim), click into GIMLET
>
> and switch it to Japanese. "A" kana appears, so you know where
>   applet is.
> Type Ctrl-SPACE to switch between kana and ASCII. When in ASCII,
>
> applet is invisible in the task bar. It is visible on mouse-over though.
> Additional info:
>
> Fedora-i18n-list mailing list
> [e-mail]
> http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-i18n-list

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

Thanks for the feedback. :-)
> > > > > "PZ" == Pete Zaitcev  writes:

PZ> 4. Type Ctrl-SPACE to switch between kana and
    PZ>    ASCII. When in ASCII, applet is invisible in the
    PZ>    task bar. It is visible on mouse-over though.

I can follow your other steps, but I'm not sure how to
reproduce this.  For me once gimlet shows the status for
Japanese/Ascii it continues to do so irrespective of the
focus.

Jens

[Pete Zaitcev]

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004 22:11:46 +0900
Jens Petersen  wrote:
> PZ> 4. Type Ctrl-SPACE to switch between kana and
> PZ>    ASCII. When in ASCII, applet is invisible in the
> PZ>    task bar. It is visible on mouse-over though.
>
> I can follow your other steps, but I'm not sure how to
> reproduce this.  For me once gimlet shows the status for
> Japanese/Ascii it continues to do so irrespective of the
> focus.

Perhaps I miss a font somewhere. Please refer to the attached screenshots
(sorry for the MIME, please let me know if you prefer a URL).
You might notice that one of them shows an outline of the applet (empty).
It only appears if mouse cursor moves into it, otherwise it completely
blends into the panel.

However, even if I miss a font, it's no excuse not to show something, IMHO.
Maybe an asterisk or a built-in glyph of latin "A".

Have a nice day!
-- Pete

[Jens-Ulrik Petersen]

> > > > > "Pete" == Pete Zaitcev  writes:

PZ> 4. Type Ctrl-SPACE to switch between kana and
    PZ> ASCII. When in ASCII, applet is invisible in the
    PZ> task bar. It is visible on mouse-over though.
    >>
    >> I can follow your other steps, but I'm not sure how
    >> to reproduce this.  For me once gimlet shows the
    >> status for Japanese/Ascii it continues to do so
    >> irrespective of the focus.

Pete> Perhaps I miss a font somewhere. Please refer to
    Pete> the attached screenshots [..].  You might notice
    Pete> that one of them shows an outline of the applet
    Pete> (empty).  It only appears if mouse cursor moves
    Pete> into it, otherwise it completely blends into the
    Pete> panel.

Pete> However, even if I miss a font, it's no excuse not
    Pete> to show something, IMHO.  Maybe an asterisk or a
    Pete> built-in glyph of latin "A".

I'd be surprised if you're missing a font for this, but what
fonts do you have installed?

I found a way to make the applet go blank though: closing a
different window while in Japanese (kana) mode causes the
applet to go blank for me.  I wonder if this is related?

Jens

[Pete Zaitcev]

On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 22:39:20 +0900
Jens Petersen  wrote:
> Pete> Perhaps I miss a font somewhere. Please refer to
> Pete> the attached screenshots [..].  You might notice
> Pete> that one of them shows an outline of the applet
> Pete> (empty).  It only appears if mouse cursor moves
> Pete> into it, otherwise it completely blends into the
> Pete> panel.
> I'd be surprised if you're missing a font for this, but what
> fonts do you have installed?

I installed everything remotely font-like, here's the list:

[zaitcev@niphredil zaitcev]$ rpm -qa '*[Ff]ont*'
fontconfig-2.2.1-6.1
XFree86-75dpi-fonts-4.3.0-55
XFree86-syriac-fonts-4.3.0-42
ghostscript-fonts-5.50-9
chkfontpath-1.9.10-2
bitstream-vera-fonts-1.10-2
bitmap-fonts-0.3-2
fontconfig-devel-2.2.1-6.1
bitmap-fonts-cjk-0.3-2
fonts-KOI8-R-100dpi-1.0-5
fonts-ja-8.0-9
XFree86-base-fonts-4.3.0-55
XFree86-100dpi-fonts-4.3.0-55
XFree86-truetype-fonts-4.3.0-55
urw-fonts-2.1-5.1
ttfonts-ja-1.2-29
fonts-KOI8-R-1.0-5
XFree86-font-utils-4.3.0-55
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[zaitcev@niphredil zaitcev]$
> I found a way to make the applet go blank though: closing a
> different window while in Japanese (kana) mode causes the
> applet to go blank for me.  I wonder if this is related?

I suspect we are entering an area where a more developer-oriented
feedback might be useful. I cringe every time when people follow
a blackbox approach to kernel failures when a simple look at the
code would explain them. The difficulty in this case is that the
userland is hideously complex. I am willing to look at this in
better detail, but I need a mentor. Do you know a GNOME hacker
who would be willing to guide me?

Thanks,
-- Pete

[Akira TAGOH]

Hi,
> > > > > On Mon, 5 Apr 2004 11:21:08 -0700,
> > > > > "PZ" == Pete Zaitcev  wrote:

PZ> I suspect we are entering an area where a more developer-oriented
PZ> feedback might be useful. I cringe every time when people follow
PZ> a blackbox approach to kernel failures when a simple look at the
PZ> code would explain them. The difficulty in this case is that the
PZ> userland is hideously complex. I am willing to look at this in
PZ> better detail, but I need a mentor. Do you know a GNOME hacker
PZ> who would be willing to guide me?

BTW do you see Japanese on your box? in particular on gtk2
applications. if it's gimlet specific problem, I have no
clue to fix this. otherwise you need to check if the fonts
are installed properly. can you see the Kochi Gothic and the
Kochi Mincho from fc-list? and does gtk2 apps show Japanese
on the menu say? please try to run gtk2 apps with
LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8.

Regards,
--
Akira TAGOH