[I3wm] Re: i3 new SIG

[Dan Čermák]

Till Hofmann <thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; writes:

>  Hi Eduard,
>
>  On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > 
> >     As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look into
> >     joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
> > 
> > 
> > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from Wayland.
> > 
> >     While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared, the
> >     general
> >     similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to QA and
> >     the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling window
> >     manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > 
> > 
> > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different Spins, why
> > not? wdyt?
> >  
>
>  It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
>  efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar from
>  a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective. Also,
>  while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest in
>  i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be either
>  towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint SIG. 
The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
is something we want tackle.

[Eduard Lucena]

Just an idea here,

What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up with a
better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?

Is that too much work?

Br,

El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
dan.cermak(a)cgc-instruments.com>) escribió:

>  Till Hofmann <thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; writes:
>
>  > Hi Eduard,
>  >
>  > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
>  >>
>  >>     As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look into
>  >>     joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from Wayland.
>  >>
>  >>     While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared, the
>  >>     general
>  >>     similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to QA
>  and
>  >>     the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling
>  window
>  >>     manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different Spins, why
>  >> not? wdyt?
>  >>
>  >
>  > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
>  > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar from
>  > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective. Also,
>  > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest in
>  > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be either
>  > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint SIG.
>
>  The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
>  as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
>  overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
>  alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
>  is something we want tackle.
>  

-- 
Eduard Lucena
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Ubuntu User #8749
Fedora Marketing Representative

[Dan Čermák]

Eduard Lucena <x3mboy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; writes:

>  Just an idea here,
>
>  What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up with a
>  better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?
>
>  Is that too much work? 
I don't think that it would be too much work once we have the i3 spin,
but it _is_ work that has to be done. There were proposals for a sway
spin in the past, but we (= the sway SIG) didn't have the manpower to
tackle that. Depending on how the i3 spin goes, this could change
though.

>  Br,
>
>  El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
>  dan.cermak(a)cgc-instruments.com>) escribió:
>
> > Till Hofmann <thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; writes:
> >
> > > Hi Eduard,
> > >
> > > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > >>
> > >>     As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look into
> > >>     joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from Wayland.
> > >>
> > >>     While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared, the
> > >>     general
> > >>     similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to QA
> > and
> > >>     the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling
> > window
> > >>     manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different Spins, why
> > >> not? wdyt?
> > >>
> > >
> > > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
> > > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar from
> > > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective. Also,
> > > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest in
> > > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be either
> > > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint SIG.
> >
> > The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
> > as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
> > overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
> > alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
> > is something we want tackle.
> >
>
>
>  -- 
>  Eduard Lucena
>  Móvil: [phone]
>  GNU/Linux User #589060
>  Ubuntu User #8749
>  Fedora Marketing Representative

[I3wm] Re: [Sway] Re: i3 new SIG

[Zach Snyder]

Maybe we can get a discussion going on what needs to be done then to tackle something like
this. I personally do no know the work involved but having a "tiling" spin that
can support both X11 and Wayland would be amazing especially since the configs are
compatible.

Let me know how I can help.

Cheers
Zach Snyder


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On Thursday, June 11, 2020 3:55 PM, Dan Čermák <dan.cermak(a)cgc-instruments.com&gt;
wrote:

>  Eduard Lucena x3mboy(a)fedoraproject.org writes:
>   
>  > Just an idea here,
>  > What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up with
> a
>  > better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?
>  > Is that too much work?
>   
>  I don't think that it would be too much work once we have the i3
> spin,
>  but it is work that has to be done. There were proposals for a sway
>  spin in the past, but we (= the sway SIG) didn't have the manpower to
>  tackle that. Depending on how the i3 spin goes, this could change
>  though.
>   
>  > Br,
>  > El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
>  > dan.cermak(a)cgc-instruments.com>) escribió:
>  >  
>  > > Till Hofmann thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org writes:
>  > >  
>  > > > Hi Eduard,
>  > > > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
>  > > >  
>  > > > >     As others have already mentioned in the
> thread: we should look into
>  > > > >     joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
>  > > > >      
>  > > > >  
> > > > > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from
Wayland.
>  > > > >  
>  > > > >     While a lot of the packages of interest are
> not really shared, the
>  > > > >     general
>  > > > >     similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to
> QA
>  > > > >      
>  > >  
> > > and
>  > >  
>  > > > >     the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge
> into the tilling
>  > > > >      
>  > >  
> > > window
>  > >  
>  > > > >     manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
>  > > > >      
>  > > > >  
> > > > > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different
Spins, why
> > > > > not? wdyt?
>
>  > >  
> > > > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that
joining
> > > > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar
from
> > > > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective.
Also,
> > > > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much
interest in
> > > > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be
either
> > > > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint
SIG.
>  > >  
>  > > The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway
> Fedora spin
>  > > as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
>  > > overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
>  > > alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
>  > > is something we want tackle.
>  >  
>  > --
>  > Eduard Lucena
>  > Móvil: [phone]
>  > GNU/Linux User #589060
>  > Ubuntu User #8749
>  > Fedora Marketing Representative
>   
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[I3wm] Re: [Sway] Re: i3 new SIG

[Dan Čermák]

Hi Zach,

as the i3 SIG is planning to create a spin, we should be able to find
out what is exactly required. My current guess is, that it mostly boils
down to:
1. Compile a list of packages to be included
2. Create kickstart file and plug it into pungi
3. Ensure that the spin builds for each release and do some QA

I expect that 1. and 2. are mostly a one time thing, while 3. will
require long term commitment (especially if the QA part is not
automated).


Cheers,

Dan

Zach Snyder <fedora(a)zsny.dev&gt; writes:

>  Maybe we can get a discussion going on what needs to be done then to
> tackle something like this. I personally do no know the work involved but having a
> "tiling" spin that can support both X11 and Wayland would be amazing especially
> since the configs are compatible.
>
>  Let me know how I can help.
>
>  Cheers
>  Zach Snyder
>
>
>  Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
>  ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>  On Thursday, June 11, 2020 3:55 PM, Dan Čermák <dan.cermak(a)cgc-instruments.com&gt;
> wrote:
>
> > Eduard Lucena x3mboy(a)fedoraproject.org writes:
> > 
>
> > > Just an idea here,
> > > What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up
> with a
> > > better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?
> > > Is that too much work?
> > 
>
> > I don't think that it would be too much work once we have the i3 spin,
> > but it is work that has to be done. There were proposals for a sway
> > spin in the past, but we (= the sway SIG) didn't have the manpower to
> > tackle that. Depending on how the i3 spin goes, this could change
> > though.
> > 
>
> > > Br,
> > > El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
> > > dan.cermak(a)cgc-instruments.com>) escribió:
> > > 
>
> > > > Till Hofmann thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org writes:
> > > > 
>
> > > > > Hi Eduard,
> > > > > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > > > > 
>
> > > > > >     As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should
> look into
> > > > > >     joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member
> of).
> > > > > >     
>
> > > > > > 
>
> > > > > > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from
> Wayland.
> > > > > > 
>
> > > > > >     While a lot of the packages of interest are not really
> shared, the
> > > > > >     general
> > > > > >     similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes
> to QA
> > > > > >     
>
> > > > 
>
> > > > and
> > > > 
>
> > > > > >     the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the
> tilling
> > > > > >     
>
> > > > 
>
> > > > window
> > > > 
>
> > > > > >     manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > > > > >     
>
> > > > > > 
>
> > > > > > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different
> Spins, why
> > > > > > not? wdyt?
> > > > > 
>
> > > > > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that
> joining
> > > > > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar
> from
> > > > > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective.
> Also,
> > > > > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much
> interest in
> > > > > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be
> either
> > > > > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint
> SIG.
> > > > 
>
> > > > The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
> > > > as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
> > > > overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
> > > > alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
> > > > is something we want tackle.
> > > 
>
> > > --
> > > Eduard Lucena
> > > Móvil: [phone]
> > > GNU/Linux User #589060
> > > Ubuntu User #8749
> > > Fedora Marketing Representative
> > 
>
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[I3wm] Re: [Sway] Re: i3 new SIG

[Onyeibo Oku]

Makes sense!

"Tiled Spin"

You choose between X11 & Wayland during installation.  That decides the Windows
Manager

Neat.

On 11 June 2020 16:13:15 GMT+01:00, Eduard Lucena <x3mboy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> Just an idea here,
>
> What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up
> with a
> better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?
>
> Is that too much work?
>
> Br,
>
> El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
> dan.cermak(a)cgc-instruments.com>) escribió:
>
> > Till Hofmann <thofmann(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; writes:
> >
> > > Hi Eduard,
> > >
> > > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > >>
> > >>     As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look
> into
> > >>     joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member
> of).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from
> Wayland.
> > >>
> > >>     While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared,
> the
> > >>     general
> > >>     similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes
> to QA
> > and
> > >>     the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling
> > window
> > >>     manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different
> Spins, why
> > >> not? wdyt?
> > >>
> > >
> > > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
> > > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar
> from
> > > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective.
> Also,
> > > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest
> in
> > > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be
> either
> > > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint
> SIG.
> >
> > The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora
> spin
> > as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a
> small
> > overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
> > alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if
> that
> > is something we want tackle.
> >
>
>
> -- 
> Eduard Lucena
> Móvil: [phone]
> GNU/Linux User #589060
> Ubuntu User #8749
> Fedora Marketing Representative 
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