[I3wm] Re: i3 new SIG

[Dan Čermák]

Till Hofmann  writes:
> Hi Eduard,
>
> On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look into
> > joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
> >
> >
> > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from Wayland.
> > While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared, the
> > general
> > similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to QA and
> > the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling window
> > manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> >
> >
> > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different Spins, why
> > not? wdyt?
>
> It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
> efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar from
> a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective. Also,
> while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest in
> i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be either
> towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint SIG.

The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
is something we want tackle.

[Eduard Lucena]

Just an idea here,

What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up with a
better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?

Is that too much work?

Br,

El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
[e-mail]>) escribió:
> Till Hofmann  writes:
> > Hi Eduard,
> >
> > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > > As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look into
> > > joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
> > >
> > >
> > > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from Wayland.
> > > While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared, the
> > > general
> > > similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to QA
>
> and
> > > the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling
>
> window
> > > manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different Spins, why
> > > not? wdyt?
> >
> > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
> > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar from
> > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective. Also,
> > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest in
> > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be either
> > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint SIG.
>
> The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
> as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
> overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
> alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
> is something we want tackle.

[Dan Čermák]

Eduard Lucena  writes:
> Just an idea here,
>
> What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up with a
> better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?
>
> Is that too much work?

I don't think that it would be too much work once we have the i3 spin,
but it _is_ work that has to be done. There were proposals for a sway
spin in the past, but we (= the sway SIG) didn't have the manpower to
tackle that. Depending on how the i3 spin goes, this could change
though.
> Br,
>
> El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
> [e-mail]>) escribió:
> > Till Hofmann  writes:
> > > Hi Eduard,
> > >
> > > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > > > As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look into
> > > > joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from Wayland.
> > > > While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared, the
> > > > general
> > > > similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to QA
> >
> > and
> > > > the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling
> >
> > window
> > > > manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different Spins, why
> > > > not? wdyt?
> > >
> > > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
> > > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar from
> > > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective. Also,
> > > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest in
> > > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be either
> > > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint SIG.
> >
> > The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
> > as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
> > overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
> > alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
> > is something we want tackle.
>
> -- 
> Eduard Lucena
> Móvil: [phone]
> GNU/Linux User #589060
> Ubuntu User #8749
> Fedora Marketing Representative

[I3wm] Re: [Sway] Re: i3 new SIG

[Zach Snyder]

Maybe we can get a discussion going on what needs to be done then to tackle something like this. I personally do no know the work involved but having a "tiling" spin that can support both X11 and Wayland would be amazing especially since the configs are compatible.

Let me know how I can help.

Cheers
Zach Snyder

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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Thursday, June 11, 2020 3:55 PM, Dan Čermák  wrote:
> Eduard Lucena [e-mail] writes:
> > Just an idea here,
> > What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up with a
> > better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?
> > Is that too much work?
> I don't think that it would be too much work once we have the i3 spin,
> but it is work that has to be done. There were proposals for a sway
> spin in the past, but we (= the sway SIG) didn't have the manpower to
> tackle that. Depending on how the i3 spin goes, this could change
> though.
> > Br,
> > El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
> > [e-mail]>) escribió:
> > > Till Hofmann [e-mail] writes:
> > > > Hi Eduard,
> > > > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > > > > As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look into
> > > > > joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
> > > > >
> > > > > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from Wayland.
> > > > > While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared, the
> > > > > general
> > > > > similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to QA
> > >
> > > and
> > > > > the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling
> > >
> > > window
> > > > > manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different Spins, why
> > > > > not? wdyt?
> > > > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
> > > > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar from
> > > > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective. Also,
> > > > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest in
> > > > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be either
> > > > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint SIG.
> > > The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
> > > as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
> > > overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
> > > alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
> > > is something we want tackle.
> > --
> > Eduard Lucena
> > Móvil: [phone]
> > GNU/Linux User #589060
> > Ubuntu User #8749
> > Fedora Marketing Representative
> Sway mailing list -- [e-mail]
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[I3wm] Re: [Sway] Re: i3 new SIG

[Dan Čermák]

Hi Zach,

as the i3 SIG is planning to create a spin, we should be able to find
out what is exactly required. My current guess is, that it mostly boils
down to:
1. Compile a list of packages to be included
2. Create kickstart file and plug it into pungi
3. Ensure that the spin builds for each release and do some QA

I expect that 1. and 2. are mostly a one time thing, while 3. will
require long term commitment (especially if the QA part is not
automated).

Cheers,

Dan

Zach Snyder  writes:
> Maybe we can get a discussion going on what needs to be done then to tackle something like this. I personally do no know the work involved but having a "tiling" spin that can support both X11 and Wayland would be amazing especially since the configs are compatible.
>
> Let me know how I can help.
>
> Cheers
> Zach Snyder
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
> On Thursday, June 11, 2020 3:55 PM, Dan Čermák  wrote:
> > Eduard Lucena [e-mail] writes:
> > > Just an idea here,
> > > What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up with a
> > > better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?
> > > Is that too much work?
> > I don't think that it would be too much work once we have the i3 spin,
> > but it is work that has to be done. There were proposals for a sway
> > spin in the past, but we (= the sway SIG) didn't have the manpower to
> > tackle that. Depending on how the i3 spin goes, this could change
> > though.
> > > Br,
> > > El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
> > > [e-mail]>) escribió:
> > > > Till Hofmann [e-mail] writes:
> > > > > Hi Eduard,
> > > > > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > > > > > As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look into
> > > > > > joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member of).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from Wayland.
> > > > > > While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared, the
> > > > > > general
> > > > > > similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes to QA
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > > > > the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling
> > > >
> > > > window
> > > > > > manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different Spins, why
> > > > > > not? wdyt?
> > > > > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
> > > > > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar from
> > > > > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective. Also,
> > > > > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest in
> > > > > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be either
> > > > > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint SIG.
> > > > The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora spin
> > > > as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a small
> > > > overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
> > > > alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if that
> > > > is something we want tackle.
> > > --
> > > Eduard Lucena
> > > Móvil: [phone]
> > > GNU/Linux User #589060
> > > Ubuntu User #8749
> > > Fedora Marketing Representative
> > Sway mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
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[I3wm] Re: [Sway] Re: i3 new SIG

[Onyeibo Oku]

Makes sense!

"Tiled Spin"

You choose between X11 & Wayland during installation.  That decides the Windows Manager

Neat.

On 11 June 2020 16:13:15 GMT+01:00, Eduard Lucena  wrote:
> Just an idea here,
>
> What if we can offer a "Tiling Window Manager Spin" (we can come up
> with a
> better name) and then let the user choose X11 or Wayland?
>
> Is that too much work?
>
> Br,
>
> El mié., 10 jun. 2020 a las 17:38, Dan Čermák (<
> [e-mail]>) escribió:
> > Till Hofmann  writes:
> > > Hi Eduard,
> > >
> > > On 5/15/20 12:21 AM, Eduard Lucena wrote:
> > > > As others have already mentioned in the thread: we should look
>
> into
> > > > joining forces with the sway SIG (which I am also a member
>
> of).
> > > > It's not a bad idea, but TBH, I still want to stay away from
>
> Wayland.
> > > > While a lot of the packages of interest are not really shared,
>
> the
> > > > general
> > > > similarity would allow us to save a lot of time when it comes
>
> to QA
> > and
> > > > the creation of a spin. Maybe we should merge into the tilling
> >
> > window
> > > > manager SIG? (with a better name of course).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, we can join effort for packaging but produce different
>
> Spins, why
> > > > not? wdyt?
> > >
> > > It's nice to see more interest in i3! But I'm not sure that joining
> > > efforts is such a good idea. While sway and i3 may be very similar
>
> from
> > > a user perspective, they are not from a packager's perspective.
>
> Also,
> > > while you don't really care about sway, I don't have much interest
>
> in
> > > i3. So what exactly would a joined SIG do? All the work would be
>
> either
> > > towards i3 or sway, I don't see any synergetic effects of a joint
>
> SIG.
> > The main synergy would be the potential creation of a sway Fedora
>
> spin
> > as the QA effort could be mostly shared. Besides that, there is a
>
> small
> > overlap of a few applications that work both on Wayland and Xorg like
> > alacritty. But the main synergy would be imho a in a sway spin, if
>
> that
> > is something we want tackle.
>
> -- 
> Eduard Lucena
> Móvil: [phone]
> GNU/Linux User #589060
> Ubuntu User #8749
> Fedora Marketing Representative