Hey All,
I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might help us anticipate the number of attendees.
Venue Red Hat India 11th Floor, Tower D, IBC Knowledge Park No. 4/1 Bannerghatta Road Bangalore 560029 India
Event Link :https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F24_Bangalore_India Timings : 1100hrs to 1400hrs (IST)
Thanks Sumantro
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Sumantro Mukherjee sumukher@redhat.com wrote:
Hey All,
I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might help us anticipate the number of attendees.
The email as well as the wiki page says that you need to drop a mail to RSVP. Why would somebody need to drop a mail rather you can have a simple table in the wiki page itself listing all the interested attendees?
On 28/06/16, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote:
Hey All,
I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might help us anticipate the number of attendees.
Just wondering if you have talked with the local ambassadors first, who organize regular Fedora Bangalore events? I can not see any planning discussion, just a direct announcement.
In Fedora India we generally discuss among the local ambassador and contributors before announcing/doing any meeting. I think that is same rule followed globally.
Kushal
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Kushal Das kushaldas@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/06/16, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote:
Hey All,
I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might help us anticipate the number of attendees.
Just wondering if you have talked with the local ambassadors first, who organize regular Fedora Bangalore events? I can not see any planning discussion, just a direct announcement.
There were no discussions or planning about this event with Fedora Ambassadors from Bangalore: me and Aditya, AFAIK. All of a sudden, you see an announcement for the event. It's good that some one wants to do a Fedora Release Party, but, a planning without involving the local community members and contributors is not proper.
In Fedora India we generally discuss among the local ambassador and contributors before announcing/doing any meeting. I think that is same rule followed globally.
+1
Thanks, rtnpro
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Kushal Das kushaldas@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/06/16, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote:
Hey All,
I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might help us anticipate the number of attendees.
Just wondering if you have talked with the local ambassadors first, who organize regular Fedora Bangalore events? I can not see any planning discussion, just a direct announcement.
I'm not sure if a conversation with me counts. In continuance of the small bits of work Sumantro is putting together, I had requested him to check if there is a possibility of putting together a small party to celebrate the release of Fedora 24 as well as share the experiences of all those who have been taking the small first steps in participating within the Test team.
You'll notice that the agenda is very barebones - that is a request I had put forward. Instead of attempting to cover a lot of ground, often unfamiliar, focusing on sharing of experiences and learning.
There were no discussions or planning about this event with Fedora Ambassadors from Bangalore: me and Aditya, AFAIK. All of a sudden, you see an announcement for the event. It's good that some one wants to do a Fedora Release Party, but, a planning without involving the local community members and contributors is not proper.
I agree. There's nothing which states there has to be only one release party at a city. The Ambassadors, who have been long-term participants and highly visible are exceptionally adept at pulling together a larger event of greater depth.
In Fedora India we generally discuss among the local ambassador and contributors before announcing/doing any meeting. I think that is same rule followed globally.
+1
So, if the local Fedora Ambassadors feel strongly about this - the listing of the event could probably be taken off the wiki.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:12 PM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Kushal Das kushaldas@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/06/16, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote:
I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might help us anticipate the number of attendees.
Just wondering if you have talked with the local ambassadors first, who organize regular Fedora Bangalore events? I can not see any planning discussion, just a direct announcement.
I'm not sure if a conversation with me counts. In continuance of the small bits of work Sumantro is putting together, I had requested him to check if there is a possibility of putting together a small party to celebrate the release of Fedora 24 as well as share the experiences of all those who have been taking the small first steps in participating within the Test team.
In that way, we should be having multiple small small release parties: Fedora QA, Fedora Infra, Fedora Cloud, Fedora Docs, etc. and what not. I am not sure if it's best to have community events in such a segregated fashion.
You'll notice that the agenda is very barebones - that is a request I had put forward. Instead of attempting to cover a lot of ground, often unfamiliar, focusing on sharing of experiences and learning.
There were no discussions or planning about this event with Fedora Ambassadors from Bangalore: me and Aditya, AFAIK. All of a sudden, you see an announcement for the event. It's good that some one wants to do a Fedora Release Party, but, a planning without involving the local community members and contributors is not proper.
I agree. There's nothing which states there has to be only one release party at a city. The Ambassadors, who have been long-term participants and highly visible are exceptionally adept at pulling together a larger event of greater depth.
If we once start doing things like this, individually, without proper involvement of and discussions with the community, this will encourage any other guy in the future to conduct his own Fedora event at his/her whim, which might be misleading from a community point of view. We had similar experiences in the past where people had even said things like “Fedora is owned by Red Hat”. We’re just cautious that we don’t end up communicating any such wrong notions in the future.
My understanding of community is more of collaboration and doing things together, rather than doing things individually. There is nothing wrong in doing an internal only event in Red Hat office, but it should not have been pushed to the India list as a Fedora 24 release party in Bangalore (while cc'ing internal mailing list).
Thanks, rtnpro
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:12 PM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Kushal Das kushaldas@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/06/16, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote:
I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might help us anticipate the number of attendees.
Just wondering if you have talked with the local ambassadors first, who organize regular Fedora Bangalore events? I can not see any planning discussion, just a direct announcement.
I'm not sure if a conversation with me counts. In continuance of the small bits of work Sumantro is putting together, I had requested him to check if there is a possibility of putting together a small party to celebrate the release of Fedora 24 as well as share the experiences of all those who have been taking the small first steps in participating within the Test team.
In that way, we should be having multiple small small release parties: Fedora QA, Fedora Infra, Fedora Cloud, Fedora Docs, etc. and what not. I am not sure if it's best to have community events in such a segregated fashion.
Actually that's not a bad idea at all. The nature of a large/broad based event often obfuscates the fact that there the project itself is made up of smaller collectives.
A "community" (and we have used that word in abundance in this conversation) is really a group of individuals who have a form of shared interests and goals. So, if a group of individuals who have taken a few first steps in learning how to make their first contributions to a Fedora (sub)project decide it would be nice to celebrate a release they were participating in - what is the exact nature of the concern that we are trying to discuss?
You'll notice that the agenda is very barebones - that is a request I had put forward. Instead of attempting to cover a lot of ground, often unfamiliar, focusing on sharing of experiences and learning.
There were no discussions or planning about this event with Fedora Ambassadors from Bangalore: me and Aditya, AFAIK. All of a sudden, you see an announcement for the event. It's good that some one wants to do a Fedora Release Party, but, a planning without involving the local community members and contributors is not proper.
I agree. There's nothing which states there has to be only one release party at a city. The Ambassadors, who have been long-term participants and highly visible are exceptionally adept at pulling together a larger event of greater depth.
If we once start doing things like this, individually, without proper involvement of and discussions with the community, this will encourage any other guy in the future to conduct his own Fedora event at his/her whim, which might be misleading from a community point of view. We had similar experiences in the past where people had even said things like “Fedora is owned by Red Hat”. We’re just cautious that we don’t end up communicating any such wrong notions in the future.
I am going to re-hash what I mentioned at the Pune FUDCon - we do need to get off this notion of only the blessed can organize Fedora events. The centralized model failed us at the very point we lacked ownership. Trying a de-centralized approach could be a good step forward.
Let's cut to the chase - what is the worst that can happen? We'll have a boat load of events which are springing up everywhere? What's the downside in that when contrasted with the fact that we haven't been having regular meetups both for Fedora and participating across other exciting communities (eg. k8s, adb etc)?
My understanding of community is more of collaboration and doing things together, rather than doing things individually. There is nothing wrong in doing an internal only event in Red Hat office, but it should not have been pushed to the India list as a Fedora 24 release party in Bangalore (while cc'ing internal mailing list).
I think you are mixing up your knowledge of what comes to you as part of your day job and what has been publicly posted. And I'd like to understand why you think this call-for-action is not "doing things together".
On 29 June 2016 at 13:59, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
Let's cut to the chase - what is the worst that can happen? We'll have
As is evident from this thread, the worst that can happen is resentment about being left out.
It really seems like only the initial messaging (i.e. the tone and content of the OP) is where it all went wrong, so there is still scope to move on and have local contributors who are interested be involved in fleshing out the details.
Also as an added note, if it's not already the case, please let Fedora foot the bill for this. In APAC we're much too frugal with the Fedora budget due to which we end up grossly under-spending every year and hence getting our budgets reduced every year. It is not that we're spending less, it is just that Red Hat local offices are footing the bill for things it shouldn't be. it would be better if the local offices pitched in only when the Fedora budget is unavailable.
Siddhesh
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Siddhesh Poyarekar siddhesh.poyarekar@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 June 2016 at 13:59, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
Let's cut to the chase - what is the worst that can happen? We'll have
As is evident from this thread, the worst that can happen is resentment about being left out.
It really seems like only the initial messaging (i.e. the tone and content of the OP) is where it all went wrong, so there is still scope to move on and have local contributors who are interested be involved in fleshing out the details.
During the 2012 DNC, Bill Clinton, in his speech referenced an anecdote (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-2012-bill-clintons-speech-at-the-democratic-national-convention-excerpt/2012/09/05/f208865e-f7a4-11e1-8253-3f495ae70650_story.html)
"One of the greatest chairmen the Democratic Party ever had, Bob Strauss, used to say that every politician wants every voter to believe he was born in a log cabin he built himself. But, as Strauss then admitted, it ain’t so."
There is perhaps not a single person among us in this group who has not faltered in their first few steps and didn't have a more experienced (an 'elder', if you will) take them aside and coach them on the how and what to do better.
I am amazed that we let a coaching moment slip in favor of a full press slaying. That is certainly not us. And by the way, I am not just talking about this thread. This week had 2 instances. For our own sake, if not for the sake of the project, we need to do better.
The wiki page exists to notify everyone interested to join in and the call-for-action is not an implied "this is the only agenda and nothing else". To edit the page all that is needed is a FAS account.
Also as an added note, if it's not already the case, please let Fedora foot the bill for this. In APAC we're much too frugal with the Fedora budget due to which we end up grossly under-spending every year and hence getting our budgets reduced every year. It is not that we're spending less, it is just that Red Hat local offices are footing the bill for things it shouldn't be. it would be better if the local offices pitched in only when the Fedora budget is unavailable.
That is true and very prescient.
On 30 June 2016 at 06:01, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
There is perhaps not a single person among us in this group who has not faltered in their first few steps and didn't have a more experienced (an 'elder', if you will) take them aside and coach them on the how and what to do better.
I am amazed that we let a coaching moment slip in favor of a full press slaying. That is certainly not us. And by the way, I am not just talking about this thread. This week had 2 instances. For our own sake, if not for the sake of the project, we need to do better.
I partially agree. The only thing I differ on is the 'taking aside' bit because of the sheer nature of FOSS communities. By nature, mistakes in FOSS communities are public, so is the criticism and so is any praise that comes in as a result of your work. In such a setting, the important attribute is integrity that coachees can demonstrate by stepping up and responding to criticism instead of sitting back and waiting for the fire to burn out. This is more so the case for someone aspiring to be involved in the Ambassador program. Priyanka stepped up and the result was that we are making progress in that thread. I'd like to see Sumantro also step up and clarify and get everyone involved.
Siddhesh
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:59 PM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:12 PM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Kushal Das kushaldas@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/06/16, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote:
In that way, we should be having multiple small small release parties: Fedora QA, Fedora Infra, Fedora Cloud, Fedora Docs, etc. and what not. I am not sure if it's best to have community events in such a segregated fashion.
Actually that's not a bad idea at all. The nature of a large/broad based event often obfuscates the fact that there the project itself is made up of smaller collectives.
A "community" (and we have used that word in abundance in this conversation) is really a group of individuals who have a form of shared interests and goals. So, if a group of individuals who have taken a few first steps in learning how to make their first contributions to a Fedora (sub)project decide it would be nice to celebrate a release they were participating in - what is the exact nature of the concern that we are trying to discuss?
There’s no problem in doing a number of smaller/micro events. However, it has to be planned properly, in advance, before making an announcement. It could be done over the mailing list, IRC meetings, so that the organizer can get feedback from the community to do things the right way.
I am going to re-hash what I mentioned at the Pune FUDCon - we do need to get off this notion of only the blessed can organize Fedora events. The centralized model failed us at the very point we lacked ownership. Trying a de-centralized approach could be a good step forward.
The community is not a religious organization where you require blessings from a high priest to lead events. Your contributions and consistency are the only metric that makes you earn trust in a community. What we focus in the Fedora Community that people become contributors first, to evangelize for the project, and not just evangelizers burning community resources doing no contribution.
Let's cut to the chase - what is the worst that can happen? We'll have a boat load of events which are springing up everywhere? What's the downside in that when contrasted with the fact that we haven't been having regular meetups both for Fedora and participating across other exciting communities (eg. k8s, adb etc)?
+1 from me for a number of events, but it has to be planned keeping the community in page.
I think you are mixing up your knowledge of what comes to you as part of your day job and what has been publicly posted. And I'd like to understand why you think this call-for-action is not "doing things together".
To be honest, I have always kept my day job and community work separate. I have contributed to the community when my day jobs were not favorable to Open Source contribution, and now at Red Hat, my day job is to do Open Source work, but does not always include contributing to Fedora directly. I still contribute to Fedora outside my day job, because it’s fun.
Thanks, rtnpro
On 06/29/2016 01:59 PM, sankarshan wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:12 PM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Kushal Das kushaldas@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/06/16, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote:
I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might help us anticipate the number of attendees.
Just wondering if you have talked with the local ambassadors first, who organize regular Fedora Bangalore events? I can not see any planning discussion, just a direct announcement.
I'm not sure if a conversation with me counts. In continuance of the small bits of work Sumantro is putting together, I had requested him to check if there is a possibility of putting together a small party to celebrate the release of Fedora 24 as well as share the experiences of all those who have been taking the small first steps in participating within the Test team.
In that way, we should be having multiple small small release parties: Fedora QA, Fedora Infra, Fedora Cloud, Fedora Docs, etc. and what not. I am not sure if it's best to have community events in such a segregated fashion.
Actually that's not a bad idea at all. The nature of a large/broad based event often obfuscates the fact that there the project itself is made up of smaller collectives.
A "community" (and we have used that word in abundance in this conversation) is really a group of individuals who have a form of shared interests and goals. So, if a group of individuals who have taken a few first steps in learning how to make their first contributions to a Fedora (sub)project decide it would be nice to celebrate a release they were participating in - what is the exact nature of the concern that we are trying to discuss?
You'll notice that the agenda is very barebones - that is a request I had put forward. Instead of attempting to cover a lot of ground, often unfamiliar, focusing on sharing of experiences and learning.
There were no discussions or planning about this event with Fedora Ambassadors from Bangalore: me and Aditya, AFAIK. All of a sudden, you see an announcement for the event. It's good that some one wants to do a Fedora Release Party, but, a planning without involving the local community members and contributors is not proper.
I agree. There's nothing which states there has to be only one release party at a city. The Ambassadors, who have been long-term participants and highly visible are exceptionally adept at pulling together a larger event of greater depth.
If we once start doing things like this, individually, without proper involvement of and discussions with the community, this will encourage any other guy in the future to conduct his own Fedora event at his/her whim, which might be misleading from a community point of view. We had similar experiences in the past where people had even said things like “Fedora is owned by Red Hat”. We’re just cautious that we don’t end up communicating any such wrong notions in the future.
I am going to re-hash what I mentioned at the Pune FUDCon - we do need to get off this notion of only the blessed can organize Fedora events. The centralized model failed us at the very point we lacked ownership. Trying a de-centralized approach could be a good step forward.
I do not see asking existing Fedora contributors if they are interested to co-organize a Fedora event is a centralized model. I dislike events likes this where the original organizer never asks existing organizers or contributors. IMO It is discouraging for people like me.
Also giving participants less than one week to respond is a bad idea. This is the first release party in Bangalore I have missed in last couple of years because of this.
Let's cut to the chase - what is the worst that can happen? We'll have a boat load of events which are springing up everywhere? What's the downside in that when contrasted with the fact that we haven't been having regular meetups both for Fedora and participating across other exciting communities (eg. k8s, adb etc)?
My understanding of community is more of collaboration and doing things together, rather than doing things individually. There is nothing wrong in doing an internal only event in Red Hat office, but it should not have been pushed to the India list as a Fedora 24 release party in Bangalore (while cc'ing internal mailing list).
I think you are mixing up your knowledge of what comes to you as part of your day job and what has been publicly posted. And I'd like to understand why you think this call-for-action is not "doing things together". _______________________________________________ india mailing list india@lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/india@lists.fedoraproject.org
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From: "Lalatendu Mohanty" lmohanty@redhat.com To: india@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Monday, July 4, 2016 12:05:34 PM Subject: [fedora-india] Re: [Call for Action] Fedora 24 Release party BLR - RSVP required
On 06/29/2016 01:59 PM, sankarshan wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:12 PM, sankarshan foss.mailinglists@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Kushal Das kushaldas@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/06/16, Sumantro Mukherjee wrote: > I am delighted to announce the Fedora 24 release party which is > happening in Red Hat,Bangalore office on Sunday 3rd of July from > 11:00am to 2:00pm. Needless to mention that's open to all and we will > be discussing about some of the new features and the goodness which > you can expect from Fedora 24. We will also talk about how you can > participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different > projects. We would like to know the amount of people who are willing > to come up and hence giving us a reply to this email with RSPV might > help us anticipate the number of attendees. Just wondering if you have talked with the local ambassadors first, who organize regular Fedora Bangalore events? I can not see any planning discussion, just a direct announcement.
I'm not sure if a conversation with me counts. In continuance of the small bits of work Sumantro is putting together, I had requested him to check if there is a possibility of putting together a small party to celebrate the release of Fedora 24 as well as share the experiences of all those who have been taking the small first steps in participating within the Test team.
In that way, we should be having multiple small small release parties: Fedora QA, Fedora Infra, Fedora Cloud, Fedora Docs, etc. and what not. I am not sure if it's best to have community events in such a segregated fashion.
Actually that's not a bad idea at all. The nature of a large/broad based event often obfuscates the fact that there the project itself is made up of smaller collectives.
A "community" (and we have used that word in abundance in this conversation) is really a group of individuals who have a form of shared interests and goals. So, if a group of individuals who have taken a few first steps in learning how to make their first contributions to a Fedora (sub)project decide it would be nice to celebrate a release they were participating in - what is the exact nature of the concern that we are trying to discuss?
You'll notice that the agenda is very barebones - that is a request I had put forward. Instead of attempting to cover a lot of ground, often unfamiliar, focusing on sharing of experiences and learning.
There were no discussions or planning about this event with Fedora Ambassadors from Bangalore: me and Aditya, AFAIK. All of a sudden, you see an announcement for the event. It's good that some one wants to do a Fedora Release Party, but, a planning without involving the local community members and contributors is not proper.
I agree. There's nothing which states there has to be only one release party at a city. The Ambassadors, who have been long-term participants and highly visible are exceptionally adept at pulling together a larger event of greater depth.
If we once start doing things like this, individually, without proper involvement of and discussions with the community, this will encourage any other guy in the future to conduct his own Fedora event at his/her whim, which might be misleading from a community point of view. We had similar experiences in the past where people had even said things like “Fedora is owned by Red Hat”. We’re just cautious that we don’t end up communicating any such wrong notions in the future.
I am going to re-hash what I mentioned at the Pune FUDCon - we do need to get off this notion of only the blessed can organize Fedora events. The centralized model failed us at the very point we lacked ownership. Trying a de-centralized approach could be a good step forward.
I do not see asking existing Fedora contributors if they are interested to co-organize a Fedora event is a centralized model. I dislike events likes this where the original organizer never asks existing organizers or contributors. IMO It is discouraging for people like me.
Also giving participants less than one week to respond is a bad idea. This is the first release party in Bangalore I have missed in last couple of years because of this.
Let's cut to the chase - what is the worst that can happen? We'll have a boat load of events which are springing up everywhere? What's the downside in that when contrasted with the fact that we haven't been having regular meetups both for Fedora and participating across other exciting communities (eg. k8s, adb etc)?
My understanding of community is more of collaboration and doing things together, rather than doing things individually. There is nothing wrong in doing an internal only event in Red Hat office, but it should not have been pushed to the India list as a Fedora 24 release party in Bangalore (while cc'ing internal mailing list).
I think you are mixing up your knowledge of what comes to you as part of your day job and what has been publicly posted. And I'd like to understand why you think this call-for-action is not "doing things together".
Hey All, Here is the post event report of Fedora 24 Release Party[1]. It's also linked back to the wiki [2]. [1]http://sumantrom.blogspot.in/2016/07/fedora-24-release-party-post-event.html [2]https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Release_Party_F24_Bangalore_India#Post_event_... Thanks Sumantro
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Ratnadeep Debnath rtnpro@gmail.com wrote:
There is nothing wrong in doing an internal only event in Red Hat office, but it should not have been pushed to the India list as a Fedora 24 release party in Bangalore (while cc'ing internal mailing list).
I wanted respond to this part separately. To my knowledge, Sumantro has sought out a mentor for his participation as a Fedora Ambassador. I'd expect that his mentor would be able to coach him on how to do things better and the right way.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Sumantro Mukherjee sumukher@redhat.com wrote:
Hey All,
We will also talk about how you can participate in making Fedora better by contributing to different projects.
Who are going to talk about them?
Thanks, rtnpro
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Kushal Das -
Lalatendu Mohanty -
Ratnadeep Debnath -
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Sayan Chowdhury -
Siddhesh Poyarekar -
Sumantro Mukherjee