Everyone feared IBM in the good old days, when guys in black suits and tie would either make you go out of business or buy you off the hook. IBM guys were considered evil big brothers, who were ruthless and sung company songs. So anyways IBM seemed to have changed quite a lot in recent years and we all know its open support towards free and open source mentality, and anyways I am here to talk about what is it doing right now which actually violates that very philosophy.
There is a very popular competition which IBM runs in india called TGMC (The great mind challenge) [1] for students. Well that is all good but the tricky part comes here. IBM only accepts projects made using its technology i.e. the tools which only IBM provides to the educational institute you are in and yes, they dont give these tools to individuals, they can only be acquired once your institute is in the program and it so happens that IBM after sending its big boys to your institute and, your college will soon will make it compulsory for everyone in the final year to make their major projects for IBM, and my college is one of them and we are stuck with making our major projects in TGMC if we want or not.
The tools to be used are : Rational Rose/RSA RAD/Eclipse/WSAD/ WebSphere Portal WAS/WAS CE DB2 Express – ‘C’ or DB2 UDB
and as it seems that you cant do this project without IBM's help. But what is more important are the Terms and Conditions, what it has imposed on all student developers working on it, here is an interesting one :-
"By submitting entries, entrant grants IBM and their agents of the program the right to publish, use, adapt, sell, edit and/or modify such entry in any way, in commerce and in any and all media worldwide, including but not limited to the Internet, without limitation and without compensation to the entrants. Entrant also grants IBM worldwide irrevocable, nonexclusive and royalty-free right and license to use, have used, copy, reproduce, transfer, modify and/or display any information contained in their entry in whole or part and in any form without compensation." for a complete set of Terms and Conditions [2]
Woah!! So that means you dont own your work, it just does not belong to you. I wonder what is this giant teaching young students on this country. And what is this policy where, on one hand its promoting open source and on the other its doing this.
And this is not limited to my college alone, I know a lot many college in jaipur, rajasthan, india which have fallen for this and have made it mandatory for their students to work on it.
[1] http://tgmc.in
[2] https://tgmc.in/terms_conditions.php?id=8
regards Acedip
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, anirudh singh shekhawat shekhawat.anirudh@gmail.com wrote:
Everyone feared IBM in the good old days, when guys in black suits and tie would either make you go out of business or buy you off the hook. IBM guys were considered evil big brothers, who were ruthless and sung company songs. So anyways IBM seemed to have changed quite a lot in recent years and we all know its open support towards free and open source mentality, and anyways I am here to talk about what is it doing right now which actually violates that very philosophy.
Sorry if I am missing the catch, but how is it connected to fedora-india?
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, anirudh singh shekhawat < shekhawat.anirudh@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone feared IBM in the good old days, when guys in black suits and tie would either make you go out of business or buy you off the hook. IBM guys were considered evil big brothers, who were ruthless and sung company songs. So anyways IBM seemed to have changed quite a lot in recent years and we all know its open support towards free and open source mentality, and anyways I am here to talk about what is it doing right now which actually violates that very philosophy.
There is a very popular competition which IBM runs in india called TGMC (The great mind challenge) [1] for students. Well that is all good but the tricky part comes here. IBM only accepts projects made using its technology i.e. the tools which only IBM provides to the educational institute you are in and yes, they dont give these tools to individuals, they can only be acquired once your institute is in the program and it so happens that IBM after sending its big boys to your institute and, your college will soon will make it compulsory for everyone in the final year to make their major projects for IBM, and my college is one of them and we are stuck with making our major projects in TGMC if we want or not.
Yes, TGMC is quite popular. They arrived in our college too (thankfully our authorities do not encourage database based projects and didn't fall for it)
The tools to be used are : Rational Rose/RSA RAD/Eclipse/WSAD/ WebSphere Portal WAS/WAS CE DB2 Express – ‘C’ or DB2 UDB
Is it wrong for them to do so? The only reason they are doing this is to popularise their products and make students acquainted with them.
and as it seems that you cant do this project without IBM's help. But what is more important are the Terms and Conditions, what it has imposed on all student developers working on it, here is an interesting one :-
"By submitting entries, entrant grants IBM and their agents of the program the right to publish, use, adapt, sell, edit and/or modify such entry in any way, in commerce and in any and all media worldwide, including but not limited to the Internet, without limitation and without compensation to the entrants. Entrant also grants IBM worldwide irrevocable, nonexclusive and royalty-free right and license to use, have used, copy, reproduce, transfer, modify and/or display any information contained in their entry in whole or part and in any form without compensation." for a complete set of Terms and Conditions [2]
Well, there are lots of other organisations who have similar terms. If one happens to send in entries to a writing contest of some sort, one will face similar conditions. Is it not violating intellectual property rights?
Woah!! So that means you dont own your work, it just does not belong to you. I wonder what is this giant teaching young students on this country. And what is this policy where, on one hand its promoting open source and on the other its doing this.
And this is not limited to my college alone, I know a lot many college in
jaipur, rajasthan, india which have fallen for this and have made it mandatory for their students to work on it.
[1] http://tgmc.in
[2] https://tgmc.in/terms_conditions.php?id=8
regards Acedip
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On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, anirudh singh shekhawat < shekhawat.anirudh@gmail.com> wrote:
Everyone feared IBM in the good old days, when guys in black suits and tie would either make you go out of business or buy you off the hook. IBM guys were considered evil big brothers, who were ruthless and sung company songs. So anyways IBM seemed to have changed quite a lot in recent years and we all know its open support towards free and open source mentality, and anyways I am here to talk about what is it doing right now which actually violates that very philosophy.
There is a very popular competition which IBM runs in india called TGMC (The great mind challenge) [1] for students. Well that is all good but the tricky part comes here. IBM only accepts projects made using its technology i.e. the tools which only IBM provides to the educational institute you are in and yes, they dont give these tools to individuals, they can only be acquired once your institute is in the program and it so happens that IBM after sending its big boys to your institute and, your college will soon will make it compulsory for everyone in the final year to make their major projects for IBM, and my college is one of them and we are stuck with making our major projects in TGMC if we want or not.
The tools to be used are : Rational Rose/RSA RAD/Eclipse/WSAD/ WebSphere Portal WAS/WAS CE DB2 Express – ‘C’ or DB2 UDB
and as it seems that you cant do this project without IBM's help. But what is more important are the Terms and Conditions, what it has imposed on all student developers working on it, here is an interesting one :-
"By submitting entries, entrant grants IBM and their agents of the program the right to publish, use, adapt, sell, edit and/or modify such entry in any way, in commerce and in any and all media worldwide, including but not limited to the Internet, without limitation and without compensation to the entrants. Entrant also grants IBM worldwide irrevocable, nonexclusive and royalty-free right and license to use, have used, copy, reproduce, transfer, modify and/or display any information contained in their entry in whole or part and in any form without compensation." for a complete set of Terms and Conditions [2]
Woah!! So that means you dont own your work, it just does not belong to
you. I wonder what is this giant teaching young students on this country. And what is this policy where, on one hand its promoting open source and on the other its doing this.
----exactly
I think many people really don't know the proper meaning of open source
And this is not limited to my college alone, I know a lot many college in jaipur, rajasthan, india which have fallen for this and have made it mandatory for their students to work on it.
[1] http://tgmc.in
[2] https://tgmc.in/terms_conditions.php?id=8
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2009/11/27 Hirak Sarkar hirak123456@gmail.com:
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 5:49 PM, anirudh singh shekhawat shekhawat.anirudh@gmail.com wrote:
Everyone feared IBM in the good old days,
1) I find this a strange topic of discussion on the fedora-india list. 2) Why is this being cross-posted so widely? Only announcements should be cross-posted.
----exactly I think many people really don't know the proper meaning of open source [...] Hirak Sarkar CSE 3rd year Kalyani Govt. Engg. College
Alas! You _still_ do not know how to use email. Stop cross posting on off topic issues.
Regards, Debarshi
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