[Idea] How about generating servicepacks of gstreamer* et.al.?

[susmit shannigrahi]

I was thinking about this a couple of days before.

Somewhere, I heard someone saying, you need to compile code to get the
musics playing. Now, I corrected them and pointed out that what they
need to do in order to get it playing.

Then this idea came to my mind, what if we generate the service packs
of say gstreamer-plugins*, vlc and the other necessary but restricted
software and host it outside fedora's infrastructure? We can give
these people a single link and say for playing all the audio/video
stuff, go to this link, download this servicepack, come home and
install it.

A few will say, we have to create service packs for each updates
pushed. But really we can do with the servicepack made with base
release only. This is because, he who does not have enough bw at home,
in all probability,  will not update his system. So chances are high
that he will still run the base installation.

Should we talk with rpmfusion people?



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[Aanjhan R]

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:12 PM, susmit shannigrahi
<thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Then this idea came to my mind, what if we generate the service
> packs
>  of say gstreamer-plugins*, vlc and the other necessary but restricted
>  software and host it outside fedora's infrastructure? We can give
>  these people a single link and say for playing all the audio/video
>  stuff, go to this link, download this servicepack, come home and
>  install it. 
Isn't http://omega.dgplug.org/ supposed to be exactly for that?

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[Hiemanshu Sharma]

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On 02/28/2010 10:16 PM, Aanjhan R wrote:
>  On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:12 PM, susmit shannigrahi
>  <thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Then this idea came to my mind, what if we generate the service packs
> > of say gstreamer-plugins*, vlc and the other necessary but restricted
> > software and host it outside fedora's infrastructure? We can give
> > these people a single link and say for playing all the audio/video
> > stuff, go to this link, download this servicepack, come home and
> > install it.
>  
>  Isn't http://omega.dgplug.org/ supposed to be exactly for that?
>  
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@Aanjhan Most people dont
know about it. Omega is a spin, and most
people only get the Fedora LiveCD or DVD for install (Freemedia, Friends
or Vendors)

@Susmit Seems like a good idea to me, so a +1 from my side.

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[Aanjhan R]

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Hiemanshu Sharma <hiemanshu(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  @Aanjhan Most people dont know about it. Omega is a spin, and most
>  people only get the Fedora LiveCD or DVD for install (Freemedia, Friends
>  or Vendors)
>
>  @Susmit Seems like a good idea to me, so a +1 from my side. 
So how do you think most people will know about this
gstreamer-plugins* that is going to be OUTSIDE the fedora
infrastructure which still will not come alongside the Fedora LiveCD
or DVD. Its the same problem we are tackling here a.k.a "Lack of
awareness".

Regards,
Aanjhan

[susmit shannigrahi]

>  So how do you think most people will know about this
>  gstreamer-plugins* that is going to be OUTSIDE the fedora
>  infrastructure which still will not come alongside the Fedora LiveCD
>  or DVD. Its the same problem we are tackling here a.k.a "Lack of
>  awareness". 
How do they know about rpmfusion stuff now?
The same way.



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[Aanjhan R]

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:55 PM, susmit shannigrahi
<thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  How do they know about rpmfusion stuff now?
>  The same way. 
May be I got your idea all wrong. But doesn't

"yum install gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-plugins-ugly" work with
rpmfusion repository enabled?

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[susmit shannigrahi]

>  May be I got your idea all wrong. But doesn't
>
>  "yum install gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-plugins-ugly" work with
>  rpmfusion repository enabled? 
Not with the ones who have Broadband with 250MB quota or does not have
a proper connection. :)


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[Ashwin]

On 28-Feb-10 10:33 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote:
> > May be I got your idea all wrong. But doesn't
> >
> > "yum install gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-plugins-ugly" work with
> > rpmfusion repository enabled?
>
>  Not with the ones who have Broadband with 250MB quota or does not have
>  a proper connection. :)
>
>  
The problem is not if some one can download at home / elsewhere.

People ridicule the very thought that MP3 support has to be enabled with 
an effort and is not available by default.

The ways to enable it very well available on 
http://fedorasolved.org/Members/jpmahowald/non-free-plugins-for-gstreamer and 
works cleanly.

A better approach should be to provide a format conversion software as 
part of the default install DVD/CD or LiveCD which pops up on its own 
and asks for format conversion to OGG...etc. and converts the format and 
plays the music etc.

What do you say ?

with Regards,
ASHWIN

[Sameep]

On 01-Mar-2010, at 8:08, Ashwin <ashwin.lists(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 28-Feb-10 10:33 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote:
> >> May be I got your idea all wrong. But doesn't
> >>
> >> "yum install gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-plugins-ugly" work with
> >> rpmfusion repository enabled?
> >
> > Not with the ones who have Broadband with 250MB quota or does not  
> > have
> > a proper connection. :)
> >
> >
>  The problem is not if some one can download at home / elsewhere.
>
>  People ridicule the very thought that MP3 support has to be enabled  
>  with
>  an effort and is not available by default.
>
>  The ways to enable it very well available on
>  http://fedorasolved.org/Members/jpmahowald/non-free-plugins-for-gstreamer 
>   and
>  works cleanly.
>
>  A better approach should be to provide a format conversion software as
>  part of the default install DVD/CD or LiveCD which pops up on its own
>  and asks for format conversion to OGG...etc. and converts the format  
>  and
>  plays the music etc.
>  
Why do u assume that someone would want to convert their 'mp3'  
collection to ogg ?


>  What do you say ?
>
>  with Regards,
>  ASHWIN
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[Rahul Sundaram]

On 03/01/2010 08:08 AM, Ashwin wrote:
>  A better approach should be to provide a format conversion software as 
>  part of the default install DVD/CD or LiveCD which pops up on its own 
>  and asks for format conversion to OGG...etc. and converts the format and 
>  plays the music etc.
>
>  What do you say ?
>     
Already answered at

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Software_Patents#Can.27t_you_convert_a_pate...

Rahul

[Rahul Sundaram]

On 02/28/2010 10:19 PM, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote:
>    
>  @Aanjhan Most people dont know about it. Omega is a spin
>     
Omega is a Fedora Remix

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix#Are_Remixes_and_Spins_different.3F

Rahul

[Hiemanshu Sharma]

My bad. Just wanted to make a point here though.

On 1 March 2010 10:33, Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On 02/28/2010 10:19 PM, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > @Aanjhan Most people dont know about it. Omega is a spin
>  >
>
>  Omega is a Fedora Remix
>
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remix#Are_Remixes_and_Spins_different.3F
>
>  Rahul
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[Rahul Sundaram]

On 02/28/2010 09:42 PM, susmit shannigrahi wrote:
>  A few will say, we have to create service packs for each updates
>  pushed. But really we can do with the servicepack made with base
>  release only. This is because, he who does not have enough bw at home,
>  in all probability,  will not update his system. So chances are high
>  that he will still run the base installation.
>
>  Should we talk with rpmfusion people
>     
If you are volunteering to do it go ahead and discuss with them about it
and it might be scriptable

Rahul

[Debayan Banerjee]

On 28 February 2010 21:42, susmit shannigrahi <thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  I was thinking about this a couple of days before. 
>  Then this idea came to my mind, what if we generate the service packs
>  of say gstreamer-plugins*, vlc and the other necessary but restricted
>  software and host it outside fedora's infrastructure? 
I think its a good idea. I have felt the same requirement often when I
have been involved in training people on FOSS. This infrastructure
should exist so people can avail of it. It will not take much space on
the rpmfusion side. It involves little effort to set this up I think,
and hence it should exist.
I am not a Fedora user. I use Ubuntu, but for this purpose I do not
think that matters.


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[sankarshan]

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 9:42 PM, susmit shannigrahi
<thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Then this idea came to my mind, what if we generate the service
> packs
>  of say gstreamer-plugins*, vlc and the other necessary but restricted
>  software and host it outside fedora's infrastructure? We can give
>  these people a single link and say for playing all the audio/video
>  stuff, go to this link, download this servicepack, come home and
>  install it. 
Can you write up a couple of servicepacks that need to be created ?
That is, the description of them and the content. And, once they are
created we could check the size and, then ask around for volunteers to
host it.

-- 
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<http://sankarshan.randomink.org/blog>

[susmit shannigrahi]

> > Then this idea came to my mind, what if we generate the service
> packs
> > of say gstreamer-plugins*, vlc and the other necessary but restricted
> > software and host it outside fedora's infrastructure? We can give
> > these people a single link and say for playing all the audio/video
> > stuff, go to this link, download this servicepack, come home and
> > install it.
>
>  Can you write up a couple of servicepacks that need to be created ? 
gstreamer-plugins-bad
gstreamer-plugins-bad-extras
gstreamer-plugins-ugly
vlc


There are others, but we can continue with these for a start.
The only problem that I can see is gstreamer-plugins-good conflicts
with gstreamer-plugins-bad. Though bugzilla shows it has been fixed, I
saw this problem in F11 & F12.

>  And, once they are
>  created we could check the size and, then ask around for volunteers to
>  host it. 
They will be small.
I am not sure about the exact size though.

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[susmit shannigrahi]

Still no taker?
Can we take it fudcon agenda?

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[Hiemanshu Sharma]

I can take a look over the weekend. No gurantee though. Still in bed
recovering from illness.

- Hiemanshu

On 26 March 2010 16:51, susmit shannigrahi <thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  Still no taker?
>  Can we take it fudcon agenda?
>
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[Ankur Sinha]

On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 18:42 +0530, Hiemanshu Sharma wrote:
>  I can take a look over the weekend. No gurantee though. Still in bed
>  recovering from illness.
>  
>  - Hiemanshu
>  
>  On 26 March 2010 16:51, susmit shannigrahi <thinklinux.ssh(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>          Still no taker?
>          Can we take it fudcon agenda?
>          
>           
it can be added to the FUDCon agenda too.

- Make service packs of commonly needed packages

Does that sound good enough ?

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