9:36 a.m.
We need to set up an appropriate media streaming server for Fedora
Talk for streaming conference calls, allowing us to make them more
open and transparent for Fedora contributors to listen in, for
recordings to be published to a server for download and/or streaming,
and so forth.
Clint Savage (herlo) has used icecast in the past at a FUDCon, I
believe. Thomas Vander Stichele (thomasvs) works directly on the
flumotion system.
My cursory reading (and limited understanding) tell me that icecast
might be easier to set up, and it does support Ogg Vorbis audio
although its site might be a little out of date. The way I understand
it, flumotion is a more robust and future-capable server system, based
on Python and GStreamer. Both are worthy free software projects and
no slight is intended toward either. I'm primarily concerned that
those of us working on the FAD for Fedora Talk, our VoIP system, have
*something* off the ground (or at least well understood) by the time
of the FAD, October 23-25.
In yesterday's meeting, we discussed and generally agreed that we
should go for whatever's easiest now, with the understanding that we
might replace that with an expanded solution in the short to medium
term. I'm cc'ing Clint and Thomas to ask for any helpful advice on
setting up one or the other. We're not interested in a dogfight of
products, just choosing what will get us off the ground quickly. Our
initial needs are simply to stream and record audio to listeners in an
Ogg Vorbis format, but in the future we will likely want to stream
video and/or provide other functionality like live presentations.
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10:59 a.m.
On 07/10/09 15:36, Paul W. Frields wrote:
We need to set up an appropriate media streaming server for Fedora
Talk for streaming conference calls, allowing us to make them more
open and transparent for Fedora contributors to listen in, for
recordings to be published to a server for download and/or streaming,
and so forth.
Clint Savage (herlo) has used icecast in the past at a FUDCon, I
believe. Thomas Vander Stichele (thomasvs) works directly on the
flumotion system.
My cursory reading (and limited understanding) tell me that icecast
might be easier to set up, and it does support Ogg Vorbis audio
although its site might be a little out of date. The way I understand
it, flumotion is a more robust and future-capable server system, based
on Python and GStreamer. Both are worthy free software projects and
no slight is intended toward either. I'm primarily concerned that
those of us working on the FAD for Fedora Talk, our VoIP system, have
*something* off the ground (or at least well understood) by the time
of the FAD, October 23-25.
In yesterday's meeting, we discussed and generally agreed that we
should go for whatever's easiest now, with the understanding that we
might replace that with an expanded solution in the short to medium
term. I'm cc'ing Clint and Thomas to ask for any helpful advice on
setting up one or the other. We're not interested in a dogfight of
products, just choosing what will get us off the ground quickly. Our
initial needs are simply to stream and record audio to listeners in an
Ogg Vorbis format, but in the future we will likely want to stream
video and/or provide other functionality like live presentations.
Paul,
I do not know anything about the second option you named, however,
Icecast allows multiple streams, which might be useful. Further, almost
anyone's client should play ogg vorbis, as you said, and IceCast is
rather trivial to set up. It also allows for a pre-stream item to be
played, which could incorporate a legal notice, stating that the content
can be freely distributed, etc.
Regards,
Tristan
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12:42 p.m.
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009, Tristan Santore wrote:
On 07/10/09 15:36, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> We need to set up an appropriate media streaming server for Fedora
> Talk for streaming conference calls, allowing us to make them more
> open and transparent for Fedora contributors to listen in, for
> recordings to be published to a server for download and/or streaming,
> and so forth.
>
> Clint Savage (herlo) has used icecast in the past at a FUDCon, I
> believe. Thomas Vander Stichele (thomasvs) works directly on the
> flumotion system.
>
> My cursory reading (and limited understanding) tell me that icecast
> might be easier to set up, and it does support Ogg Vorbis audio
> although its site might be a little out of date. The way I understand
> it, flumotion is a more robust and future-capable server system, based
> on Python and GStreamer. Both are worthy free software projects and
> no slight is intended toward either. I'm primarily concerned that
> those of us working on the FAD for Fedora Talk, our VoIP system, have
> *something* off the ground (or at least well understood) by the time
> of the FAD, October 23-25.
>
> In yesterday's meeting, we discussed and generally agreed that we
> should go for whatever's easiest now, with the understanding that we
> might replace that with an expanded solution in the short to medium
> term. I'm cc'ing Clint and Thomas to ask for any helpful advice on
> setting up one or the other. We're not interested in a dogfight of
> products, just choosing what will get us off the ground quickly. Our
> initial needs are simply to stream and record audio to listeners in an
> Ogg Vorbis format, but in the future we will likely want to stream
> video and/or provide other functionality like live presentations.
>
>
Paul,
I do not know anything about the second option you named, however,
Icecast allows multiple streams, which might be useful. Further, almost
anyone's client should play ogg vorbis, as you said, and IceCast is rather
trivial to set up. It also allows for a pre-stream item to be played, which
could incorporate a legal notice, stating that the content can be freely
distributed, etc.
Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how do we tie
asterisk into it?
-Mike
2:22 a.m.
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On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how do
we tie
asterisk into it?
Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
module since asterisk 1.4.
http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
* sts
12:10 p.m.
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:33AM +0200, Stefan Schlesinger wrote:
On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how
>do we tie
>asterisk into it?
Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
module since asterisk 1.4.
http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
I'm still reading the Asterisk book so any opinion I might give is
going to be woefully uninformed. It sounds like Icecast may be the
easiest short-term solution, especially since it was difficult to find
anything via Google on Flumotion integration.
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12:25 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:33AM +0200, Stefan Schlesinger wrote:
>
> On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> >On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how
> >do we tie
> >asterisk into it?
> Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
> module since asterisk 1.4.
>
> http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
I'm still reading the Asterisk book so any opinion I might give is
going to be woefully uninformed. It sounds like Icecast may be the
easiest short-term solution, especially since it was difficult to find
anything via Google on Flumotion integration.
I will happily set up and configure an Icecast server. They are
incredibly easy to configure, work quite well and can handle a lot of
connectons for audio. Video is available, but the bandwidth demand is
a bit higher.
Icecast can also deliver previously recorded data with mount points
and thus is a really good solution for streaming. It supports both
ogg vorbis and ogg theora. I haven't done much with fluendo, so I
can't say how features compare.
It might be a good idea to pre-setup both Icecast and Fluendo on a
test server (each) and then get the Asterisk data to start sending to
both.
Cheers,
Clint
2:49 p.m.
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:33AM +0200, Stefan Schlesinger wrote:
>
> On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> >On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how
> >do we tie
> >asterisk into it?
> Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
> module since asterisk 1.4.
>
> http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
I'm still reading the Asterisk book so any opinion I might give is
going to be woefully uninformed. It sounds like Icecast may be the
easiest short-term solution, especially since it was difficult to find
anything via Google on Flumotion integration.
My vote is also for icecast at this point. I even see asterisk-ices is
already in EPEL.
-Mike
3:35 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:33AM +0200, Stefan Schlesinger wrote:
> >
> > On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how
> > >do we tie
> > >asterisk into it?
> > Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
> > module since asterisk 1.4.
> >
> > http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
>
> I'm still reading the Asterisk book so any opinion I might give is
> going to be woefully uninformed. It sounds like Icecast may be the
> easiest short-term solution, especially since it was difficult to find
> anything via Google on Flumotion integration.
>
My vote is also for icecast at this point. I even see asterisk-ices is
already in EPEL.
So asterisk-ices is a client program and that would work well. I've
used ices2 a bit before switching over to darkice and I might be
switching back since darkice doesn't support pulseaudio yet. I can
play a little iwth asterisk-ices this week and see what I can do with
it and ices.
Do I need to make an RFR for the icecast server? Or for testing would
it just be a test server that already exists?
Cheers,
Clint
3:45 p.m.
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Mike McGrath
<mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:33AM +0200, Stefan Schlesinger wrote:
>> >
>> > On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how
>> > >do we tie
>> > >asterisk into it?
>> > Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
>> > module since asterisk 1.4.
>> >
>> > http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
>>
>> I'm still reading the Asterisk book so any opinion I might give is
>> going to be woefully uninformed. It sounds like Icecast may be the
>> easiest short-term solution, especially since it was difficult to find
>> anything via Google on Flumotion integration.
>>
>
> My vote is also for icecast at this point. I even see asterisk-ices is
> already in EPEL.
So asterisk-ices is a client program and that would work well. I've
used ices2 a bit before switching over to darkice and I might be
switching back since darkice doesn't support pulseaudio yet. I can
play a little iwth asterisk-ices this week and see what I can do with
it and ices.
Do I need to make an RFR for the icecast server? Or for testing would
it just be a test server that already exists?
RFR, i don't think anything like this exists presently.
-Mike
5:08 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:33AM +0200, Stefan Schlesinger wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how
> >> > >do we tie
> >> > >asterisk into it?
> >> > Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
> >> > module since asterisk 1.4.
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
> >>
> >> I'm still reading the Asterisk book so any opinion I might give is
> >> going to be woefully uninformed. It sounds like Icecast may be the
> >> easiest short-term solution, especially since it was difficult to find
> >> anything via Google on Flumotion integration.
> >>
> >
> > My vote is also for icecast at this point. I even see asterisk-ices is
> > already in EPEL.
>
> So asterisk-ices is a client program and that would work well. I've
> used ices2 a bit before switching over to darkice and I might be
> switching back since darkice doesn't support pulseaudio yet. I can
> play a little iwth asterisk-ices this week and see what I can do with
> it and ices.
>
> Do I need to make an RFR for the icecast server? Or for testing would
> it just be a test server that already exists?
>
RFR, i don't think anything like this exists presently.
-Mike
Okay, I will request it tonight. Thanks Mike.
Clint
7:18 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Clint Savage <herlo1(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Mike McGrath
<mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Clint Savage wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:33AM +0200, Stefan Schlesinger wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com>
wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > >On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is
how
>> >> > >do we tie
>> >> > >asterisk into it?
>> >> > Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
>> >> > module since asterisk 1.4.
>> >> >
>> >> >
http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
>> >>
>> >> I'm still reading the Asterisk book so any opinion I might give is
>> >> going to be woefully uninformed. It sounds like Icecast may be the
>> >> easiest short-term solution, especially since it was difficult to find
>> >> anything via Google on Flumotion integration.
>> >>
>> >
>> > My vote is also for icecast at this point. I even see asterisk-ices is
>> > already in EPEL.
>>
>> So asterisk-ices is a client program and that would work well. I've
>> used ices2 a bit before switching over to darkice and I might be
>> switching back since darkice doesn't support pulseaudio yet. I can
>> play a little iwth asterisk-ices this week and see what I can do with
>> it and ices.
>>
>> Do I need to make an RFR for the icecast server? Or for testing would
>> it just be a test server that already exists?
>>
>
> RFR, i don't think anything like this exists presently.
>
> -Mike
Okay, I will request it tonight. Thanks Mike.
Clint
Here's the RFR for the Icecast server.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1734
Please let me know if I need to add more information. Also, I am not
a member of the any of the important sysadmin groups (sysadmin-test,
yes) so I put down Mike as my sponsor, but Jon Stanley has offered
before as well.
Cheers,
Clint
4:13 p.m.
On Mon, 12 Oct 2009, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Thu, Oct 08, 2009 at 09:22:33AM +0200, Stefan Schlesinger wrote:
>
> On 07.10.2009, at 19:42, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
>
> >On Ive also had some experience with icecast. My question is how
> >do we tie
> >asterisk into it?
> Try to google for asterisk and icecast, there seems to be an Ices
> module since asterisk 1.4.
>
> http://www.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/Asterisk_and_Icecast_(via_Ices)
I'm still reading the Asterisk book so any opinion I might give is
going to be woefully uninformed. It sounds like Icecast may be the
easiest short-term solution, especially since it was difficult to find
anything via Google on Flumotion integration.
asterisk2 is now built and at rawhide. It's got some issues with the
configs from the old asterisk2. I'm looking to work through those issues
now.
-Mike
5:43 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 16:13:30 -0500,
Mike McGrath <mmcgrath(a)redhat.com> wrote:
asterisk2 is now built and at rawhide. It's got some issues with the
configs from the old asterisk2. I'm looking to work through those issues
now.
Can you post the nonsensitive parts of those configs? I want to try to
replicate it for people participating in the Fedora Talk FAD.
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