19:59 < mmcgrath> #startmeeting Infrastructure
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19:59 < mmcgrath> #topic Who's here?
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19:59 * ricky
19:59 * nirik is in the back.
19:59 * SmootherFrOgZ is
20:00 * skvidal nods
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20:00 * collier_s here
20:00 * a-k is here
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20:01 < mmcgrath> Ok, doesn't look like we have any meeting tickets so we'll
just get right into it
20:01 < mmcgrath> #topic FAS accounts and capcha
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20:02 < mmcgrath> One thing I wanted to make known is we recently implemented a
capcha in FAS.
20:02 < mmcgrath> by we I mean abadger1999
20:02 < mmcgrath> the problem was mostly caused from spammers we think.
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20:02 < mmcgrath> STill more research to do but as many as 2 in every 3 account we
have in FAS was created by a spammer.
20:02 < mmcgrath> or at least someone who didn't verify their email.
20:02 < mmcgrath> But! no more :)
20:03 < ricky> :-)
20:03 < smooge> here
20:03 < mmcgrath> we re-consider freeing up those account names as well. Something
20:03 < mmcgrath> they'd not have been in any groups or anything so it might be
20:03 < mmcgrath> might not be though, more research required.
20:03 * ricky is all for freeing up accounts that have never been verified (ie never
20:03 < mdomsch> yo
20:03 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: hey
20:03 * ianweller rolls in for da lulz
20:04 < mmcgrath> anyone have any questions or comments on that?
20:04 < mdomsch> wow, that's crazy
20:04 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: indeed :)
20:04 < notting> so, does this screw up all our account/registration growth stats?
20:05 < mmcgrath> notting: it does as far as what we have done in the past but we
can get new stats I think.
20:05 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: It'll be interesting if our initial registration
20:05 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: I'm almost positive it will.
20:05 < ricky> Did we ever really assume that # accounts = # of active people?
20:05 < mmcgrath> ricky: depends on 'we'
20:05 < abadger1999> It'll only drop significantly if the accounts are being
created by a machine.
20:05 < mmcgrath> I really don't consider a contributor a contributor unless
they have a fedorapeople account.
20:05 < ricky> I guess the question is if those specific numbers are usually quoted
to the press or anything
20:06 < ricky> Same here - I get my counts from ls /home/fedora | wc -l on
20:06 < mmcgrath> ricky: some are. *but* generally we encourage people to use
'contributor' when siting those numbers.
20:06 < abadger1999> People that sign up but never verify email would still get
through the captcha.
20:06 < mmcgrath> and we define a contributor as cla_done + one group
20:06 < mmcgrath> which is the fedorapeople count.
20:06 < mmcgrath> and that count will stay the same
20:07 < mmcgrath> So that's really all there is on that.
20:07 < mmcgrath> One thing I wanted to talk about was with affix
20:08 < mmcgrath> but I don't see him around right now so we'll wait.
20:08 < mmcgrath> he's looking for search engines for us.
20:08 < mmcgrath> Ok, so next topic
20:08 < mmcgrath> #topic PHX1 to PHX2 move
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20:08 < mmcgrath> So smooge and I have been working to get the various network maps,
inventory and other related directions to RH's IT department.
20:09 < mmcgrath> Much of that stuff is available in gobby.
20:09 < smooge> makes gobby gravy
20:09 < mmcgrath> smooge also put some network diagrams up
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20:09 < mmcgrath> It looks like we're going to be moving into 5 racks.
20:09 < mmcgrath> and spread properly so power isn't an issue.
20:09 < mmcgrath> we might expand into the 6th rack but I'm not counting on it,
at least not for November.
20:10 < smooge> and look at smaller pdu's as we expand
20:10 * Oxf13
20:10 < Oxf13> here
20:10 < mmcgrath> smooge: yeah, are you a fan of those 1U horizontally mounted
20:10 < smooge> mmcgrath, more that I am a fan of PDU's that aren't treated
like checkbooks :)
20:11 < smooge> most PDU's have too many plugs for what you can use with modern
20:11 < mmcgrath> maybe we should start getting servers with 4PS's in them :)
20:11 < mmcgrath> then double the PDU's
20:11 < mmcgrath> oh wait, that's the same as just doubling the pdus
20:12 < mmcgrath> anywho :)
20:12 < mmcgrath> So I still have some outstanding questions, I'm sure smooge
20:12 < mmcgrath> but it looks like this is going to be about a 48 hour outage.
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20:12 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, when?
20:12 < smooge> no we should look at DC racks
20:12 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: after F12 ships, before the end of November.
20:12 < smooge> mdomsch, depends on how much F12 slide there is
20:13 < mdomsch> smooge, DC still doesn't buy much
20:13 < mmcgrath> Oxf13: whats the latest "what are the odds of F12
20:13 < Oxf13> no change
20:13 < mmcgrath> k
20:13 < Oxf13> still looking good
20:13 < mmcgrath> So does anyone have any questions or concerns about this move?
20:13 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, can we migrate bapp1 to another datacenter before then?
20:13 < mmcgrath> it's going to be a lot of planning, then a week or two of
20:13 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: yeah we can add that to our list.
20:14 < mmcgrath> I've moved stuff I had budgeted for the last quarter of this
FY into a more major purchse just thi sweek.
20:14 * ricky will probably be in his own hell week of at that point :-(
20:14 < mmcgrath> we'll have some servers in PHX2 hopefully in a couple of weeks
that we can use for that.
20:14 < mmcgrath> ricky: sucker, at least we don't get graded :)
20:14 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: so right nwo the list of things we want to
'pre-move' is db1, db2, bastion3 (new) app1 and bapp1.
20:14 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, sure we do
20:15 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: I always thought this was more pass fail :)
20:15 < smooge> ricky its just midterms... you should skip them and come on out
20:15 < mdomsch> failure is not an option
20:15 < smooge> failure is always an option.. in fact most of my academic career is
based on that.
20:16 < smooge> but then again one should not take Zonker Harris as a role model
20:16 < notting> if we slip, does that mean we relocate fudcon to mesa and do the
20:16 < ricky> Haha
20:17 < mmcgrath> notting: actually not the worst idea I've ever heard :)
20:17 < Oxf13> hey, it'll be warmer than Toronto
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20:17 < skvidal> smooge: zipper, then?
20:18 < mmcgrath> One other thing we wanted to make people aware of is in PHX2
we're going to start seperating our network segments.
20:18 < mmcgrath> We're basically going to move to a 3 network system
20:18 < smooge> nah zipper is a real loser
20:18 < mmcgrath> 1) Buildsystem network
20:18 < mmcgrath> 2) Combined nfs / storage type network
20:18 < mmcgrath> 3) public network.
20:18 < mmcgrath> For those familiar with the environment, it's not too hard to
figure out what will go where.
20:19 < ricky> Where does something not public like bapp1 go?
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20:19 < mmcgrath> ricky: on the public network
20:19 < ricky> Oh, OK :-)
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20:19 < abadger1999> smooge: You're just too old to appreciate him.
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20:19 < mmcgrath> the public network isn't so much "public IP space"
as it is just for all general network stuff like the 834 network is now in PHX.
20:19 < ricky> Ah, OK
20:19 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have any questions on this? If not we'll move on.
20:19 < smooge> actually general network sounds better
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20:20 < Oxf13> smooge: and sargent router?
20:20 < mmcgrath> Ok
20:20 < mdomsch> ricky, http://fpaste.org/oPMp/
20:20 < mmcgrath> #topic Favicon.ico
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20:20 < mmcgrath> a-k: whats the poop on this?
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20:20 < a-k> There are 4 favicons in puppet, but only 2 get sourced, and none of
them are actually used by existing html, as far as I can tell so far
20:21 < mmcgrath> a-k: what ticket number was that? I forget?
20:21 * a-k checks
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20:21 < a-k> .ticket 1669
20:21 < zodbot> a-k: #1669 (the old favicon must die.) - Fedora Infrastructure -
Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1669
20:22 < mmcgrath> danke.
20:22 < mmcgrath> a-k: and you saw the note about smolts.org?
20:22 < a-k> Yes. Did you want to have no favicon at all on smolts?
20:22 < mmcgrath> We don't have one so just leave it null.
20:22 < a-k> OK
20:22 < mmcgrath> a-k: anything else on that?
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20:23 < mdomsch> a-k: favicon doesn't have to get referenced in our html
20:23 < a-k> I had a couple suggestions in the ticket and Ricky liked one of them.
If anybody has other ideas, let me know.
20:23 < mdomsch> it's automatically looked for by browsers
20:23 < a-k> mdomsch: yes. In document root as favicon.ico.
20:24 < mmcgrath> a-k: alrighty, thanks.
20:24 < a-k> That was one of my suggestions.
20:24 < mmcgrath> #topic mod_evasive
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20:24 < mmcgrath> So, some of you have probably seen make the mod_evasive module a
bit mo' betta
20:24 < mmcgrath> This is largely because cvs1 has had some load issues recently
20:25 < mmcgrath> RH's internal search engine has been very agressive.
20:25 < mmcgrath> and google's crawler doesn't honor Crawl-Delay
20:25 < dgilmore> stupid bots
20:25 < mmcgrath> you can force google's crawler to crawl more slowly but it
only lasts for 90 days.
20:25 < mmcgrath> So
20:25 < mmcgrath> I've decided to setup mod_evasive to be a bit more agressive
about banning people.
20:26 < ricky> Does it have whitelists like denyhosts? ;-)
20:26 < mmcgrath> It's actually pretty hard to predict how or when someone will
get banned because the various apache children don't talk to eachother.
20:26 < mmcgrath> ricky: it does.
20:26 < ricky> Ah, cool
20:26 < mmcgrath> I still want the content on cvs.fedoraproject.org
to be searchable
or I'd have banned it altogether.
20:26 < mmcgrath> it might be worth looking at alternatives to viewvc though.
20:27 < mmcgrath> or at least figuring out why it's so freaking slow.
20:27 < ricky> s/viewvc/cvs/ :-D
20:27 < notting> migrate all projects away from cvs?
20:27 < ianweller> cough get rid of cvs cough
20:27 < smooge> not our problem
20:27 < ricky> One side effect of viewvc is that it creates a bunch of junk rcs*
files in /tmp
20:27 < ricky> I wasn't able to figure out why though
20:27 < smooge> ouch
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20:28 < mmcgrath> It's probably time for someone with time and courage to try
starting the SCM Sig back up again.
20:29 < mmcgrath> Anywho, any questions about that?
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20:29 < abadger1999> svn!
20:29 < abadger1999> Or should that be !svn ?
20:29 < abadger1999> :-)
20:30 < mmcgrath> moving on :)
20:30 < mmcgrath> #topic pgpool
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20:30 < smooge> bitkeeper
20:30 < mmcgrath> welp, we tested pgpool in staging and it's been working on db2
for a while with no issues (and no connections)
20:30 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: after the meeting do you want to enable pgpool in
production with mirrormanager?
20:30 < smooge> no connections?
20:30 < ricky> It could be good to start off with making the crawlers use pgpool
20:30 < mmcgrath> smooge: it's been deployed but the firewall's been
20:30 < ricky> Then the the mirrormanager and transifex apps
20:31 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, if you wish
20:31 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, I'll have to go to another meeting, so can't be
there if it breaks
20:31 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: you won't have to do anything for that but it'd
be good to have you around incase the sky falls.
20:31 < mmcgrath> the revert is simple enough and all.
20:31 < mdomsch> and I've got a minor MM update to push, to fix the
20:31 < mmcgrath> ah, well goodie.
20:31 < mdomsch> trying to to test that on stg
20:32 < mdomsch> but that's separate; so do your thing
20:32 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: will do.
20:32 < mdomsch> and remember it won't take effect for all the crawlers for a
20:32 < mmcgrath> <nod>
20:32 < mmcgrath> FWIW, I saw a measurable (not major) performance increase in my
20:32 < mmcgrath> I can't explain that
20:32 < mmcgrath> but it was there.
20:33 < mmcgrath> perhaps the logging in phase of psql is slower then it could be
20:33 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyway. With that
20:33 < mmcgrath> #topic Open Floor
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20:33 < mmcgrath> Anyone have anything they'd like to discuss?
20:33 < ricky> Can we get a quick overview of how the ipv6 stuff went?
20:33 < mmcgrath> Sure.
20:33 < ricky> Are all the major problems ironed out?
20:33 < mmcgrath> I'll do the quick version
20:34 < mmcgrath> we started, some people couldn't reliably use TCP traffic (and
probably other types of traffic)
20:34 < mmcgrath> the iptables rule on the list won't work for us because RHEL5
doesn't support it yet.
20:34 < mmcgrath> but by specifying a lower MTU, I've not heard a single
20:34 < mmcgrath> and we're *STILL* waiting on the glue record AFAIK.
20:34 < mmcgrath> I'm not sure why that is though
20:34 < ricky> Cool - that's something that happened on the person's side
and not our side?
20:34 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, right, no glue yet
20:35 < mmcgrath> ricky: well it could be done in either place actually.
20:35 < mmcgrath> but by doing it on our server, others don't have to do it.
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20:35 < ricky> Ah, good
20:35 < mmcgrath> oh and mdomsch did some neat stuff as he mentioned on the list wrt
MM and geo ip
20:36 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: I saw you prodding warthog9 again about geoip dns. We
starting to think that over again?
20:36 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, not really; i was just looking for how to implement a
better backend for bind
20:36 < mdomsch> the zonefile for doing BGP lookups takes 1GB RAM
20:36 < mmcgrath> ah
20:36 < mdomsch> so I didn't do that; I custom-coded it in MM, takes 7MB
20:36 < smooge> wow thats big..
20:37 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: when you figured out how to do it in 7M did you do a
20:37 < smooge> and then its small
20:37 * mmcgrath would have.
20:37 < mdomsch> oh yeah
20:37 < mdomsch> celeste was scared
20:37 < ricky> Heheh
20:37 < mmcgrath> hahah, it's like you've invented fire
20:37 < mmcgrath> well good work on taht too
20:37 < smooge> removed all the 0's?
20:37 < mdomsch> that's not in production yet
20:37 < mdomsch> but coming along
20:37 < mmcgrath> related to dns and geoip, I'd still like to see that as a TODO
20:37 < mmcgrath> but not urgent.
20:37 < mdomsch> ok, on that note
20:38 < mdomsch> we have an offer for hosting from China Unicom
20:38 < mmcgrath> we're probably getting to the point where we need to re-think
our content distribution network.
20:38 < smooge> cool.
20:38 < mdomsch> they're looking for size estimates for servers
20:38 < smooge> can I go to do the buildout?
20:38 < mdomsch> what do we want to put there, and what server resources do we
20:38 < ricky> mmcgrath: wikipedia apparently uses powerdns for geodns
20:39 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: do you think they were thinking about providing servers
20:39 < mdomsch> smooge, catch Ivory on IRC
20:39 < ricky> Maybe something to take a look at (and it has a bind-style zone file
20:39 < mdomsch> mmcgrath, yes, I believe so. 2 asks:
20:39 < mmcgrath> ricky: yeah I think those are the big winners right now in that
market. pdns or bind + a patch
20:39 < mdomsch> 1) they set up and run a mirror
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20:39 < mdomsch> 2) they give us dedicated hosting and Xen guests
20:39 < mmcgrath> So we wouldn't have to worry about the hardware at all with
the xen guests?
20:40 < mmcgrath> I'd totally go for that
20:40 < mdomsch> that's the ask. We'll see.
20:40 < mmcgrath> it's worked out well for us in BU
20:40 < smooge> I think we would like xen dom0 if possible . domU's is nice
20:40 < mmcgrath> yeah
20:40 < mdomsch> so if anyone sees Ivory on IRC, be nice
20:40 < mmcgrath> heheh
20:40 < smooge> np.
20:40 < mdomsch> and if anyone speaks Chinese, that would be a big plus!
20:40 < mdomsch> as I don't
20:40 < smooge> crap. neither do i
20:40 < mmcgrath> yeah, do we have any native chinese speakers in the house?
20:40 < Oxf13> I can barely order it off a menu
20:41 * ricky wishes he could read/write, but nope :-(
20:41 < mdomsch> his english is pretty good, but he's concerned about it.
20:41 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: I'd know how to ask Ivory to order spicy tofu.
20:41 < mmcgrath> and then tell him it was good :)
20:41 < smooge> his english is probably better than mine
20:41 < ricky> Something like "la dou fu" :-)
20:41 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: I'll get some specs to you about what would be good
to have over there.
20:41 < mdomsch> on another unrelated note
20:41 < mdomsch> I'll be at LinuxCon all next week
20:42 < smooge> mdomsch, cool
20:42 < Oxf13> ditto
20:42 < smooge> where is that this year?
20:42 < Oxf13> Portland
20:43 < smooge> cool. and wet
20:43 < smooge> blackberries are really good right now I have been told
20:44 < smooge> on my note, xen13 is now RHEL-5.4 and should not reboot as often
20:44 < mmcgrath> smooge: cheers!
20:44 < smooge> bastion1 should also really really think its bastion1
20:44 < ricky> Nice :-)
20:45 < ricky> Did it go pretty smoothly, or were there any bumps along the way?
20:45 < ricky> rhel 5.4 domU went pretty smoothly
20:45 < smooge> xen13 needed /etc/grub hand edited.
20:45 < ricky> Ah, yow
20:45 < smooge> so I had to reboot twice.. as I forgot the first time
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20:45 < smooge> and fas1 took 3 xen creates to start up
20:46 < mmcgrath> smooge: what needed to be altered in grub?
20:46 < smooge> and I didn't see why in the logs
20:46 < smooge> it was booting by default to an old kernel.
20:46 < ricky> Strange
20:46 < ricky> Ah, then I take my "yow" back :-)
20:46 < smooge> so when I updated it moved from booting from 1 to 2
20:46 < smooge> so I moved it to 0
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20:46 < mmcgrath> ahh
20:47 < a-k> smooge: /etc/sysconfig/kernel ?
20:47 < ricky> It's set to yes on xen13
20:48 < mmcgrath> ricky: what about DEFAULTKERNEL
20:48 < ricky> Not sure why it wouldn't have gotten updated automatically.
Maybe we had manually edited things before?
20:48 < mmcgrath> is it kernel or kernel-xen
20:48 < ricky> That's set to kernel
20:48 < mmcgrath> that should probably get set to kernel-xen
20:48 < ricky> Ahh
20:48 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else to discuss?
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20:48 < mmcgrath> If not we'll close the meeting in 30
20:48 < smooge> ricky, I think it was manually edited in the past when trying to
figure out which kernel worked
20:48 < smooge> nothing else from me.
20:49 < ricky> One more thing
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20:49 < ricky> Should we email mirror-list-d about the i2 mirror soon?
20:49 < mdomsch> what i2 mirror?
20:49 < mmcgrath> ricky: good question
20:49 < ricky> The networking issues there seem to be resolved for the most part
20:49 < mdomsch> at rdu?
20:49 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: the RDU i2 mirror seems to be up and running well
20:49 < ricky> Yup
20:49 < mdomsch> ah, good to know
20:49 < abadger1999> mmcgrath: how's kvm testing going?
20:49 < ricky> (And same question for sync1/sync2)
20:49 < mmcgrath> ricky: what was the last speed test?
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20:50 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: oh, good question. I'll get to it in just a
20:50 < mmcgrath> ricky: sync1/2 isn't ready for public consumption yet.
20:50 < mdomsch> so we don't need static routes for RDU i2 anymore?
20:50 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: that's my impression
20:50 < mmcgrath> ricky: what IP was it at?
20:50 < ricky> download-i2.fedora.redhat.com?
20:51 < ricky> I'm getting excellent speeds from osuosl1 right now
20:51 < ricky> (it showed >140 MB/s in the beginning and eventually returned to
>7 MB/s which is still good)
20:51 < mmcgrath> mdomsch: ^^
20:51 < mmcgrath> Oh, and I wanted to talk about cloud stuff too
20:52 < mmcgrath> Ok, real quick.
20:52 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: the kvm stuff is going ok. We were having horrible
IO performance issues on app7
20:52 < ricky> Although starting a download from ibiblio1 at the same time caused
the osuosl1 one to drop down to <500 KB/s :-(
20:52 < mmcgrath> after changing some drivers around it's better but still not
as fast as some of the app servers.
20:52 < mmcgrath> await has been a big problem.
20:52 < ricky> So it's not very balanced it seems
20:52 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: but research continues :)
20:52 < mmcgrath> the good news is we're in no rush to switch to it so we can
make it behave exactly was we want to.
20:53 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: you around?
20:53 < mmcgrath> The cloud stuff has been going well, SmootherFrOgZ has been hard
20:53 < SmootherFrOgZ> mmcgrath: yep
20:53 < mmcgrath> we keep running into lots of little issues.
20:53 < mmcgrath> a million paper cuts causing us to be unable to use
20:53 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: any luck with the nics?
20:54 < SmootherFrOgZ> we're currently debuging them to get them work properply
20:54 < SmootherFrOgZ> actyually nic show up with wrong interface name
20:54 < mmcgrath> SmootherFrOgZ: ok, well good work on it so far, I know this issue
in particular has been quite irksome
20:54 < mmcgrath> Ok, anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss?
20:55 < mmcgrath> if not we'll close the meeting in 30.
20:56 < mmcgrath> Allright
20:56 < mmcgrath> #endmeeting
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