On Sep 24, 2011 2:23 PM, "Tristan Santore" <
> On Sep 24, 2011 1:07 PM, "Tristan Santore"
> <mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org>> wrote:
>> On 24/09/11 15:43, Mike McGrath wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Sep 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>>> I finally sat down and poked around with the current version of
>>>> we have setup (7.0.0).
>>>> Some observations:
>>>> * It seems more responsive and nicer than the 6.x versions were.
>>>> * There doesn't seem to be a way to disable features and just show
>>>> calendar that I can figure out. The email part is
always there. ;(
>>>> However, unless we have it set to send incoming emails there, it
>>>> works fine for just sending calendar invites and the like.
>>>> * The ical / caldav feeds seem to be there and working. Took a bit to
>>>> find them, but they do work.
>>>> * We can't enable z-push as it's non free, so thats no push for
>>>> of mobile devices.
>>>> * Calendars are per user. There is a group calendar feature, but it
>>>> seems to not be available in the free version.
>>>> So, I am thinking that if we don't want to offer mail hosting,
>>>> isn't going to be something we want to support/deploy.
>>>> The only one still getting email into it is Mike.
>>>> I don't know if other folks are using the calendar or not, but we
>>>> should check that.
>>>> Any further thoughts or conclusions? Or should we set a sunset date?
>>> I demand that Fedora continue to offer and support a mailing
>>> just of me ;-)
>>> +1 to the sunset. Let me know when and I'll make arrangements to get
>>> mail sent back to my normal account.
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>> How about hosting zarafa elsewhere ? In a sane legal zone like the EU!
>> As long as Fedora doesn't itself host this, its not taking part in
>> contributory infringement, I would think.
>> Tristan Santore BSc MBCS
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On 24/09/11 19:11, brett lentz wrote:
> Even if that's technically legal, it violates the spirit of what Fedora
> is all about.
Using foss service providers does not violate what we are about, and
besides, if that was the case then we should also ban our users from
mentioning rpmfusion in the help channel, which is preposterous.
This is a straw man and has nothing to do with what I said.
Just because the United States has decided to have patents on
which nobody in Fedora agrees with, nor Red Hat for that matter, then
you can't ask Europe to enforce such stupidity.
I don't see how that's relevant or has anything to do with what I said.
What you are saying is,
that we cant basically add European service providers to the list of US
based service providers we already use.
No. That is not at all what I said.
I said that gaining access to otherwise non-free software through the use of
a technicality is not the Fedora way.
Of course, external providers of
free services we use to market Fedora, such as facebook, have also faced
patent infringement claims. Also, we would not be hosting it ourselves,
we do not violate the principal of having only freely usable software in
the distribution. The distribution has nothing to do with obtaining
services from a third-party.
Yes. I understood your point the first time. I disagree with you that this
is an appropriate option.
Of course,, if there was a better option, which we can mass-roll out
allow everyone to work more efficiently together, then great, but people
have been banging on about a product we need, and nothing has fit the
Correction: Nothing *yet* has fit the bill.
And, as a contributor, Id like to have the ability to gain access to
such collaboration systems, it should be for everyone, not just a select
You aren't the only one with this desire. I, and many others share it. But I
don't believe it's a good idea to sacrifice our principles and start using
technicalities just to gain access to a particular piece of software.
Just because something is technically possible doesn't make it a good
Tristan Santore BSc MBCS
Network and Infrastructure Operations
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