Resending so it hits the list.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016, at 09:22 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
On 10/20/2016 02:09 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 05:27:39PM -0000, Josh Boyer wrote:
Should this be something that is sunset then? Or at a minimum widely advertised as needing community effort to keep active?
There are a handful of very active members who put in a lot of work and effort; it isn't just a vacant lot full of weeds and bricks, which would make the decision easy.
We never did get a "meta" site set up, so there's not really a great place to have this discussion (which is why I'm having it here). I guess I'll start a discussion there with the [meta] tag.
As a thought to add to this, it would be nice to have a place for people interested in Ask Fedora to congregate and discuss. Before I was involved now, I had joined #fedora-ask in 2014 because I had considered looking into if I could help moderate or help the platform, but the channel was mostly fedmsg notifications.
My point is, I think there may be people outside of the normal contributor periphery who may want to assist with Ask, but there's no effective means for people who wish to help to do so. This may not be relevant for Infrastructure, but some helpful steps I could see to bringing contributor focus into Ask is starting by providing a place and means for people who want to help to do so.
One part of me says "there aren't enough contributors actively helping here to justify having it as a resource", but another part sees the great value in the fedmsg integration with Ask and how it does bring people and contributors *into* the project community.
Do we have activity statistics for the Ask site? Can we determine if non-contributors are using it and actually getting help?
Should we make a push in the commblog for interested parties to come forward? My gut feeling is that, as others have said in the thread, we don't need any more bad open source copies making information hard to find and growing weeds.
If there is an actual user community then we may choose to keep it around and try to work harder on finding maintainers. If not, we can give more serious thought to shutting it down, possibly as part of a larger review of how we communicate with various platforms in general (huge poop storm as someone said).
regards,
bex
On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 01:41:07 +0200 Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com wrote:
Do we have activity statistics for the Ask site? Can we determine if non-contributors are using it and actually getting help?
An excellent question. Smooge and Ricky have been working on stats, perhaps they can chime in here. We should be able to at least get hits and such (since they go through our proxy setup).
kevin
On 21 October 2016 at 19:41, Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com wrote:
Resending so it hits the list.
One part of me says "there aren't enough contributors actively helping here to justify having it as a resource", but another part sees the great value in the fedmsg integration with Ask and how it does bring people and contributors *into* the project community.
Do we have activity statistics for the Ask site? Can we determine if non-contributors are using it and actually getting help?
We have usage statistics but not 'activity' statistics. Those would have to be gotten from inside of the tool which would require domain knowledge we don't have. Usage wise it is one of our largest used sites. However that as you state not the same as activity where we see if someone is engaging and adding, helping, etc.
I expect that there is a community on it but it is self-segregated in the same way that many of our other communities are: The irc community is not exactly the email community which is not exactly the wiki community which .. there is some overlap but not a large size. In order to get more information about it we need to engage in the channel.
Should we make a push in the commblog for interested parties to come forward? My gut feeling is that, as others have said in the thread, we don't need any more bad open source copies making information hard to find and growing weeds.
If there is an actual user community then we may choose to keep it around and try to work harder on finding maintainers. If not, we can give more serious thought to shutting it down, possibly as part of a larger review of how we communicate with various platforms in general (huge poop storm as someone said).
regards,
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On Sat, Oct 22, 2016, at 09:35 PM, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On 21 October 2016 at 19:41, Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com wrote:
Resending so it hits the list.
One part of me says "there aren't enough contributors actively helping here to justify having it as a resource", but another part sees the great value in the fedmsg integration with Ask and how it does bring people and contributors *into* the project community.
Do we have activity statistics for the Ask site? Can we determine if non-contributors are using it and actually getting help?
We have usage statistics but not 'activity' statistics. Those would have to be gotten from inside of the tool which would require domain knowledge we don't have. Usage wise it is one of our largest used sites. However that as you state not the same as activity where we see if someone is engaging and adding, helping, etc.
I expect that there is a community on it but it is self-segregated in the same way that many of our other communities are: The irc community is not exactly the email community which is not exactly the wiki community which .. there is some overlap but not a large size. In order to get more information about it we need to engage in the channel.
Can anyone tell me who is admin rights or other privileges in the system so I can engage them?
regards,
bex
Should we make a push in the commblog for interested parties to come forward? My gut feeling is that, as others have said in the thread, we don't need any more bad open source copies making information hard to find and growing weeds.
If there is an actual user community then we may choose to keep it around and try to work harder on finding maintainers. If not, we can give more serious thought to shutting it down, possibly as part of a larger review of how we communicate with various platforms in general (huge poop storm as someone said).
regards,
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On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 01:41:07AM +0200, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
Do we have activity statistics for the Ask site? Can we determine if non-contributors are using it and actually getting help?
There are 17,264 questions on the site, and only 3,914 are unanswered. I can't speak to the quality of those answers overall, though. A random sampling shows some good and great ansewrs and some horrifically awful ones. Of concern to me, there's not much voting to help indicate which are which.
The non-English subsites are a lot less successful, with under 1000 questions total.
Web stats show a lot of visitors -- something like 260,000 unique visitors monthly, which is about double what we see for Fedora Magazine, for example.
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 09:39:58PM +0200, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
Can anyone tell me who is admin rights or other privileges in the system so I can engage them?
For example, me. :)
FranciscoD (Ankur Sinha) is a site admin and the user with the highest site "karma" (reputation score gained from answering and asking questions). More high-ranking users are listed at https://ask.fedoraproject.org/users/
On 24.10.2016 09:50, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 01:41:07AM +0200, Brian Exelbierd wrote:
Do we have activity statistics for the Ask site? Can we determine if non-contributors are using it and actually getting help?
There are 17,264 questions on the site, and only 3,914 are unanswered. I can't speak to the quality of those answers overall, though. A random sampling shows some good and great ansewrs and some horrifically awful ones. Of concern to me, there's not much voting to help indicate which are which.
Not voting much is definitely true for ask.fpo and I think it would be interesting to find out why users don't use vote much (esp. down-voting). Maybe not enough active users? Maybe to high hurdle to up and downvote? ...?
The non-English subsites are a lot less successful, with under 1000 questions total.
That is to be expected, Other languages are less popular and the non-English sites are also much younger (created later).
Web stats show a lot of visitors -- something like 260,000 unique visitors monthly, which is about double what we see for Fedora Magazine, for example.
Maybe worth fixing askbot?
On Sat, 22 Oct 2016 21:39:58 +0200 Brian Exelbierd bex@pobox.com wrote:
Can anyone tell me who is admin rights or other privileges in the system so I can engage them?
Sadly this seems to be another failing... I was going to say you could just list out the moderators from the application itself, but it doesn't appear to have any way to list them from the interface. ;(
https://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/users/ sorted by karma should have moderators in the first few pages.
If thats insufficent, let me know and I will setup a db query and mail you the list.
kevin
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