Koji Personal Repos

[Jesse Keating]

There has been lots of talk in the past about making it easier to
experiment with changes in Fedora, particularly when many packages are
involved.  We never have a good story for this other than "use mock".
However now that we have things like fedorapeople.org and lots of smart
people wanting to improve things, I think we can have a much better
story, one that can rival Ubuntu's offerings
(https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart).

So from the "I don't have time to work on it, but here is what I think
we could do" department I bring you a concept of Koji Personal Repos,
or kopers (pronounced like copper, the metal).

Please have a read at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/KojiPersonalRepos and let the comments fly.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

[Seth Vidal]

On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 08:22 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
>  There has been lots of talk in the past about making it easier to
>  experiment with changes in Fedora, particularly when many packages are
>  involved.  We never have a good story for this other than "use mock".
>  However now that we have things like fedorapeople.org and lots of smart
>  people wanting to improve things, I think we can have a much better
>  story, one that can rival Ubuntu's offerings
>  (https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart).
>  
>  So from the "I don't have time to work on it, but here is what I think
>  we could do" department I bring you a concept of Koji Personal Repos,
>  or kopers (pronounced like copper, the metal).
>  
>  Please have a read at
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/KojiPersonalRepos and let the comments fly.
It seems like a fair process. Controlling/monitoring use of them is my
only real concern but we should be able to track that w/o too much
trouble.

Good idea.
+1

-sv

[Jesse Keating]

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 08:22:21 -0400
Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  Koji Personal Repos,
>  or kopers (pronounced like copper, the metal). 
Ok, pronounce it however the hell you want (:

-- 
Jesse Keating
Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?

[Mike McGrath]

Jesse Keating wrote:
>  There has been lots of talk in the past about making it easier to
>  experiment with changes in Fedora, particularly when many packages are
>  involved.  We never have a good story for this other than "use mock".
>  However now that we have things like fedorapeople.org and lots of smart
>  people wanting to improve things, I think we can have a much better
>  story, one that can rival Ubuntu's offerings
>  (https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart).
>
>  So from the "I don't have time to work on it, but here is what I think
>  we could do" department I bring you a concept of Koji Personal Repos,
>  or kopers (pronounced like copper, the metal).
>
>  Please have a read at
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/KojiPersonalRepos and let the comments fly.
>     
In the arena of available buildsystems (IE: SuSE, Ubuntu, and Fedora) 
from my research we are behind, very far behind.  Part of this is 
builders and part of this is storage.  I've been looking for 20T of 
storage or so (which is to include the current arch's and the secondary 
archs) but if we're going to advertise personal builds and start 
considering implementing other open source projects (like OLPC, Creative 
Commons, etc) which we're already sort of supporting, then we need to 
think long and hard about this.

We really need to put some investment into our current system, both in 
terms of Koji (Read: making sure the kernal and OOo builds have a higher 
weight then ytalk, continue our GC stuff, finalize secondary arch 
integration) and hardware.  Getting enough people to make enough noise 
so our blade center gets installed (it's coming up on a year of paid 
service for a paper weight sitting on the floor).  There's also storage, 
the estimates on secondary arch's are in (note: thanks to Debian we're 
already way behind Ubuntu on this - 
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/gutsy/release/ )  But estimates 
on personal builds are still a question mark.  I'd like to find 
somewhere around 30T for this and dedicate it JUST to the build system.  
I'd hope this would last us for the next 3 -5 years.

I also think we'll need to find another primary mirror somewhere for 
distribution.  We've had some queries for distribution already (Creative 
Commons).  If hosted takes off as I think it might, we'll need another 
distribution medium and it needs to not be our build system.  We could 
upgrade our primary mirror but that's complicated because it is 3 
netapps spread across multiple locations, we'd have to upgrade them all 
and we'd be under the mercy of Red Hat with regards to major releases so 
we wouldn't be in control of our own destiny and that's really really 
bad.  We have torrent, but torrent is ill suited to distribute some 
things, like nightly builds or updates-released repositories for our 
secondary archs.  Also our new torrent site will have a bandwidth cap 
initially.

I've been trying to get an actual budget for our Infrastructure, I 
submitted a budget to be approved a few months ago but have not heard 
back (and likely won't for a month or so).  Even if it does get 
approved, it does not include the above requirements.  I'll create 
something separate document for what it would take to bring Fedora to 
the next step in terms of Buildsystem and the next step in terms of 
being able to better support non Fedora OS endeavors (distribution, etc).

Any thoughts, questions, comments?

    -Mike

[Imtiaz Rahi]

Very good proposal and well written from the beginning.
I have been waiting for such a system.
openSUSE have it already going.
It will create lots of opportunities for Fedora and people will get more
involved.

Cheers,
Imtiaz


On 10/27/07, Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  There has been lots of talk in the past about making it easier to
>  experiment with changes in Fedora, particularly when many packages are
>  involved.  We never have a good story for this other than "use mock".
>  However now that we have things like fedorapeople.org and lots of smart
>  people wanting to improve things, I think we can have a much better
>  story, one that can rival Ubuntu's offerings
>  (https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart).
>
>  So from the "I don't have time to work on it, but here is what I think
>  we could do" department I bring you a concept of Koji Personal Repos,
>  or kopers (pronounced like copper, the metal).
>
>  Please have a read at
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating/KojiPersonalRepos and let the
>  comments fly.
>
>  --
>  Jesse Keating
>  Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?
>
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