Two tech items I wanted to clear up for Fedora Talk FAD:
First, qe discussed earlier using softphones for consistency and less equipment-lugging. Didn't hear any votes against so that's all we're planning at this point. It also makes sense to concentrate on that use because the majority of people using Fedora Talk are likely using softphones.
Second, network setup at the site. I talked to the owner of the office we'll be using and he says they have a wide-open wireless, *and* a wired connection we can feel free to use which is the same thing their wireless plugs into. I'm going to scoot over there on Friday if I can, and test how things work with a softphone. I didn't get any hints from anyone on what special tests I needed to do beyond trying to hook up to Fedora Talk and make and receive a call, so that's all I plan to do unless someone tells me otherwise.
Generally from my experience the primary things that effect VoIP would be Packet loss, and Latency. There are tons of other things such as RF noise etc.. however those shouldnt* be an issue.
Packet loss is going to be pretty obvious across the "wire" due to the way it is normally handled (fill in dropped packet with previous packets data).
With that said depending on the wireless (signal strength / noise) there could be potential issues (packet loss, distortion, static, delay in sound), however if there are this can be easily mitigated by the use of the hard line. Just my 2 cents. - Tim
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 14:11 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Two tech items I wanted to clear up for Fedora Talk FAD:
First, qe discussed earlier using softphones for consistency and less equipment-lugging. Didn't hear any votes against so that's all we're planning at this point. It also makes sense to concentrate on that use because the majority of people using Fedora Talk are likely using softphones.
Second, network setup at the site. I talked to the owner of the office we'll be using and he says they have a wide-open wireless, *and* a wired connection we can feel free to use which is the same thing their wireless plugs into. I'm going to scoot over there on Friday if I can, and test how things work with a softphone. I didn't get any hints from anyone on what special tests I needed to do beyond trying to hook up to Fedora Talk and make and receive a call, so that's all I plan to do unless someone tells me otherwise.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:20:02PM -0500, timg@codero.com wrote:
Generally from my experience the primary things that effect VoIP would be Packet loss, and Latency. There are tons of other things such as RF noise etc.. however those shouldnt* be an issue.
Packet loss is going to be pretty obvious across the "wire" due to the way it is normally handled (fill in dropped packet with previous packets data).
With that said depending on the wireless (signal strength / noise) there could be potential issues (packet loss, distortion, static, delay in sound), however if there are this can be easily mitigated by the use of the hard line. Just my 2 cents. - Tim
This is good information to know, thanks Tim. Fortunately most of what we're doing isn't going to be dependent on the quality of the connection, but rather building additional functionality into the services themselves. Your well-stated concerns above will continue to apply across the board when using Fedora Talk or other VoIP systems.
Paul, Cheers to that, I miss read the site portion as if it were asking about any potential concerns there. If you need any help in developing/implementation of the additional services please feel free to let me know. I am not always around in IRC but would be more than willing to give a hand as needed, just shoot a project / idea in my direction.
Just a side note I will be out of service for a few days from the 5th to the 7th. Heading down to cPanel Con.
On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 15:09 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:20:02PM -0500, timg@codero.com wrote:
Generally from my experience the primary things that effect VoIP would be Packet loss, and Latency. There are tons of other things such as RF noise etc.. however those shouldnt* be an issue.
Packet loss is going to be pretty obvious across the "wire" due to the way it is normally handled (fill in dropped packet with previous packets data).
With that said depending on the wireless (signal strength / noise) there could be potential issues (packet loss, distortion, static, delay in sound), however if there are this can be easily mitigated by the use of the hard line. Just my 2 cents. - Tim
This is good information to know, thanks Tim. Fortunately most of what we're doing isn't going to be dependent on the quality of the connection, but rather building additional functionality into the services themselves. Your well-stated concerns above will continue to apply across the board when using Fedora Talk or other VoIP systems.
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 02:11:47PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
First, qe discussed earlier using softphones for consistency and less equipment-lugging. Didn't hear any votes against so that's all we're planning at this point. It also makes sense to concentrate on that use because the majority of people using Fedora Talk are likely using softphones.
I'm probably gonna lug my hardphone along anyway, since I normally don't use softphones. :)
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On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:23 PM, Ian Weller wrote:
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 02:11:47PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
First, qe discussed earlier using softphones for consistency and less equipment-lugging. Didn't hear any votes against so that's all we're planning at this point. It also makes sense to concentrate on that use because the majority of people using Fedora Talk are likely using softphones.
I'm probably gonna lug my hardphone along anyway, since I normally don't use softphones. :)
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 02:11:47PM -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
Two tech items I wanted to clear up for Fedora Talk FAD:
First, qe discussed earlier using softphones for consistency and less equipment-lugging. Didn't hear any votes against so that's all we're planning at this point. It also makes sense to concentrate on that use because the majority of people using Fedora Talk are likely using softphones.
Second, network setup at the site. I talked to the owner of the office we'll be using and he says they have a wide-open wireless, *and* a wired connection we can feel free to use which is the same thing their wireless plugs into. I'm going to scoot over there on Friday if I can, and test how things work with a softphone. I didn't get any hints from anyone on what special tests I needed to do beyond trying to hook up to Fedora Talk and make and receive a call, so that's all I plan to do unless someone tells me otherwise.
Status update -- I visited the site today. Although I couldn't get in the physical office (they don't open 'til 9, and I was there at 8:30), the wifi was available. It's open and I was able not only to SSH out to some of my boxes, including alternate ports, but also to connect to Fedora Talk using Twinkle, and send myself a voice message. All appearances are that the network is completely open so we should be able to do everything we need to at the site.
Unless someone thinks that's insufficient testing, I'm going to be reserving the office by paying these guys over the weekend. Please speak now if you think I missed something.
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