[irc-support-sig] #107: Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members
by fedora-badges
#107: Mass Removal Of Stagnant Voting Members
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Reporter: dcr226 | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14
Version: | Severity: Neutral
Keywords: | Blocked By:
Blocking: |
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I was going to do these individually, but it will just turn into spam, and
on the most part this is a no-brainer.
I propose the removal of the following members of the sig, on the basis
they carry a vote currently..but may not be active, or interested in the
sig.
ausil, bit4man, deepsa, ivazquez, jkeating, jsmith, jsteffan, mkearey,
pfrields, wtogami, kanarip
I guess the simple thing is, if you agree with the removal, vote with
"+1", if you disagree with it all "-1", and if you disagree with one (or
more particular user's removal "-1 <username>"
Otherwise this thread could easily turn into 10 threads and get
unnecessarily messy.
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Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/107>
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[irc-support-sig] #131: Uncalled-for behaviour on #fedora
by fedora-badges
#131: Uncalled-for behaviour on #fedora
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Reporter: jamesnz | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: minor | Milestone: Fedora 17
Version: | Severity: Negative
Keywords: | Blocked By:
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My IRC nick is: JamesNZ
Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this
ticket: The fedbot asked me to :D Also, I've noticed that the user
BobJensen is rather abrupt at times. Often to the point of rudeness.
Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction:
BobJensen, PetiteMoufette
Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on
this feedback: He could be asked to be a bit more dipomatic when in a
discussion.
Any additional notes or logs: Below is a direct copy/paste of some
interactions on 29/11/12:
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<PetiteMoufette> hey guys what software can I use to write an ISO to disk?
<BobJensen> PetiteMoufette: man yum
<JamesNZ> PetiteMoufette: Brasero, K3B etc. There are lots ;)
<BobJensen> PetiteMoufette: research how to conduct a SEARCH
<PetiteMoufette> BobJensen, how about you don't rtfm people that's why
people choose Ubuntu or Fedora because the support is better.
<PetiteMoufette> JamesNZ, thank you
<BobJensen> PetiteMoufette: There is no reason you can't search through
the options
<BobJensen> NONE
<BobJensen> other than laziness
<Khaytsus> PetiteMoufette:
https://www.google.com/search?q=write+an+ISO+to+disk+fedora
<Khaytsus> Seriously...
<PetiteMoufette> http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/newbie/189821-fedora-17
-iso-burning.html
<PetiteMoufette> that's what I got
<PetiteMoufette> Anyway.. no need to bitch
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<BobJensen> Then why did you?
<PetiteMoufette> do you get your kicks from being a douche? or does it
come off naturally?
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("Leaving")
<BobJensen> and the support for Ubnutu is not "better" it is just
different
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<JamesNZ> BobJensen: Seriously dude. It was just a question, you weren't
required to answer.
<BobJensen> JamesNZ: Neither were you
<BobJensen> JamesNZ: and please don't call me dude.
<mutk> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html-
single/Burning_ISO_images_to_disc/index.html There is also a whole
Documentation project guide at docs.fedoraproject.org
<BobJensen> I've done nothing to insult you
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<JamesNZ> BobJensen: My apologies, but I don't think PetiteMoufette did
anything to insult you either.
<JamesNZ> No offense meant.
<BobJensen> JamesNZ: I suppose in your book, I should have run the yum
search myself and listed the 30 or so odd results for them?
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<JamesNZ> No :) I would have listed the ones I knew of off the top of my
head (which I did). And then tell them how to find the answer for
themselves with yum (which I forgot).
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<JamesNZ> Again, no offense.
<mutk> JamesNZ, I would have pointed them at the documentation, because
that is what it is for.. :)
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<JamesNZ> mutk: Can't argue with that logic :D I just think that it's best
to do so in a more diplomatic way.
<JamesNZ> Anyway, lets get off that topic....
<fedbot> Hey, we want to make the channel better. How about dropping us a
note and let us know how you feel the channel is doing, good or bad and
give feedback about users or issues also. https://fedorahosted.org/irc-
support-sig/ (Tickets reviewed weekly)
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And then a little while later:
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<PetiteMoufette> Firstly I wanted to say, sorry. My behaviour wasn't right
and I apologize. I was in pure panic mode because for whatever the reason
being I thought it was smart to follow a tutorial that was talking saying
to get my game working I had to install catalyst drivers / kernel or
whatever. Secondly, BobJensen I understand that you may feel that you're
more superior than most because of whatever knowledge you have of Linux or
Fedora or what n
<PetiteMoufette> ot. Please mind the little people though that ask for
assistance. I'm not one that requests answers I use IRC when all my
Google..ing has failed me. To think you're actually booty-tickled from the
incident is one thing but I would still like to apologize for my actions
as they were rude.
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<Initia7_B> pm that please
<mutk> PetiteMoufette, Here is a great reference BTW. You missed it -
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html-
single/Burning_ISO_images_to_disc/index.html There is also a whole
Documentation project guide at docs.fedoraproject.org
<PetiteMoufette> mutk, yeah I found that when I searched. I didn't know
if it applied to what I was trying to do. I simply used dd
if=/home/invisibleheero/ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdb
<BobJensen> PetiteMoufette: Firstly, piss off
<BobJensen> PetiteMoufette: Secondly, It's not about being superior.
<BobJensen> PetiteMoufette: it's about teaching you to help yourself
<Initia7_B> PM = private message.
<PetiteMoufette> Initia7_B, we know
<Initia7_B> :-)
<BobJensen> Initia7_B: I've no interest in PMs. PetiteMoufette was an
inconsiderate publicly so any apology should be also.
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<theborger> BobJensen: thanks for the links, those are helpfull
<BobJensen> PetiteMoufette: Do NOT send me private messages
}}}
IMHO this is very rude behaviour from BobJensen, admittedly PetiteMoufette
probably shouldn't have implied that BobJensen thought he was superior,
but even so I think that telling someone to "piss off" is totally uncalled
for.
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[irc-support-sig] #132: Sick of "you want me to support someone, pay me" attitude in #fedora
by fedora-badges
#132: Sick of "you want me to support someone, pay me" attitude in #fedora
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Reporter: ankursinha | Owner:
Type: feedback | Status: new
Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 18
Version: | Severity: Negative
Keywords: | Blocked By:
Blocking: |
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[X] Negative
[ ] Neutral
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My IRC nick is: FranciscoD
=== Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this
ticket: ===
Time and time again, I've seen people blow off users and provide the
reason "You aren't paying me! I'll help you if I want!" I'd recommend that
such people '''not be allowed''' to help at all in #fedora. You cannot
'''volunteer''' to help, and then use '''no pay''' as a reason to
'''not''' help. '''Volunteering implies that you're doing it for free,
without pay.'''
I understand that it is '''community support''', and we do get people who
do '''ridiculous''' things to their systems. However, it is common decency
to either help a user that you started assisting till their issue is
solved (irrespective of how much they may irritate you), or at least until
someone else takes over their case. To start helping someone and then
leave them with "best of luck to you" is unfair, and frankly, bad support.
The support sig '''interfaces most''' with fedora users, much like the
ambassadors do. It doesn't help the community when we in the support sig
act rudely towards users. '''When you're helping in #fedora, you are
representing fedora''' (We even use @fedora cloaks!). Irrespective of what
a user has done, and how much they irritate you, you're expected to behave
properly, with respect, as a fedora contributor. How would it be if our
ambassadors went about saying "Oh! You use ubuntu? I'm not going to speak
to you!"?
I've also noticed that folks helping have their own preferences on subject
such as security. These may be good practices which should be followed in
general. However, a user not following these guidelines does not become
undeserving in any way. As an example, I saw a user being denied support
'''because he/she had selinux disabled''' (''I see you disabled selinux.
Best of luck to you.''). I'd rather that he/she be assisted, and suggested
to enable selinux. Does denying assistance for this seem fair to you?
=== Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: ===
None. It's a general trend I've seen from my experience in the channel.
=== Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based
on this feedback: ===
I'd like it to be clarified that anyone who wishes to help out in #fedora
is doing it voluntarily, to help users, in the spirit that a community
supports it's users. If they blow off users and respond with "I'm not
getting paid for this, I don't '''have''' to help you", they should be
asked to leave (and recommended that they join epel support or wherever
they can get paid for it?)
I would also like everyone helping to advise users to follow good
practices. However, limit it at that. The final choice should be left to
the user. Our task is to support them '''irrespective''' of how they've
broken their systems (hence the terms "support"/"troubleshooting"). In the
worst case scenario, we'll recommend a reinstall. However, in no
circumstance should a user be battered for something they've done (or not
done) to their installation.
=== Any additional notes or logs ===
None.
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Re: irc-support-sig Digest, Vol 28, Issue 4
by Ben Williams
1) there has been a long standing rule that you do not have to help
anyone if you dont want to period
2) alot of people will not help if selinux is set to disabled that is
their right
3) alot of people from the USA will not help people from embargoed
countries (because legally we can be in trouble
4) and if there is a conflict of personalities its time to walk away
5) so since when does a fedora cloak == equal a paycheck to support in
#fedora
a fedora cloak means you are a fedora contributor in someway or
fashion
Now that i have said my peace its time to drop this BS
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> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:15:29 -0800
> From: warren <warren(a)fedoraos.org>
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> Subject: Re: [irc-support-sig] #132: Sick of "you want me to support
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> If you think you're serving some "great cause" best re-think. #fedora is
> nothing more or less than a testing ground and intel gathering for the
> development of future red hat products. you. do. not. matter. none of us do.
>
> On 11/28/2012 11:02 PM, irc-support-sig wrote:
>> #132: Sick of "you want me to support someone, pay me" attitude in #fedora
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>> Reporter: ankursinha | Owner:
>> Type: feedback | Status: new
>> Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 18
>> Version: | Severity: Negative
>> Resolution: | Keywords:
>> Blocked By: | Blocking:
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>>
>> Comment (by jamesnz):
>>
>> Having witnessed the discussion which led to this ticket, I'm fairly sure
>> that FranciscoD is referring (at least in part) to BobJensen.
>>
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> #132: Sick of "you want me to support someone, pay me" attitude in #fedora
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> Reporter: ankursinha | Owner:
> Type: feedback | Status: new
> Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 18
> Version: | Severity: Negative
> Resolution: | Keywords:
> Blocked By: | Blocking:
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>
> Comment (by ankursinha):
>
> Replying to [comment:1 jamesnz]:
> > Having witnessed the discussion which led to this ticket, I'm fairly
> sure that FranciscoD is referring (at least in part) to BobJensen.
>
>
> I'd like to focus on the issue, and not on any one person here. I'd
> suggest everyone do the same. The example is to help people understand
> what I'm saying better, not to point my finger at people. I could file a
> ticket against nicks when I need to. It isn't needed here. It isn't the
> intention here.
>
> Note that the ticket says:
>
> === Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: ===
>
> None. It's a general trend I've seen from my experience in the channel.
>
11 years, 4 months
