* Christopher <ctubbsii-fedora@apache.org> [2014-10-31 11:37]:
This is a bug -- did you file it with us? If so, what was the> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Mat Booth <fedora@matbooth.co.uk> wrote:
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> On 31 October 2014 08:18, Max Rydahl Andersen <manderse@redhat.com> wrote:
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>
> Fedora 20 used to have 3 different Java versions (5, 7, 8).
>
>
> ok, why no Java 6 ?
>
>
> Besides many technical reason the biggest one is non-technical in
> my eyes - no one volunteered to do it. You know it's always a
> matter of "who will do the work?". I'm pretty sure that if someone
> jumps in and say "Hey, I'll maintain Java 6, fix problems/adopt
> Java 6 to changes in the OS if neeeded, help strengthen the
> switching between JREs, go through the Java projects(shipped in
> Fedora) and help them properly set their targets in build scripts
> so builds properly work on Java 6 and etc" there will be no
> objection to having Java 6. :)
>
>
> Fair enough.
>
>
> OpenJDK 7
> was removed from F21 because its support will end before
> F21 EOL and
> we
> don't want to ship software not supported by upstream.
>
>
> So for users most stable thing is to use Oracle JDK builds
> instead which
> are and will stay available ?
>
>
> Users can still try to use it but it's something that they have to
> do on their own - download, extract, set PATH, etc. Just like on
> every platform with Oracle JVM.
>
>
> Yeah, this is similar experience for developers on all other platforms
> so its expected/assumed.
>
>
> No separate repo with "binaries that is currently supported but
> will not
> stay supported for all of fedora 21 lifetime" ?
>
>
> 1. Fedora can not legally redistribute Oracle JDK.
>
>
> I know - hence why I would think having a openjdk 7 build would make
> sense.
>
>
> 2. Fedora can not distribute something that Fedora developers can
> not support if there is a problem in it (as it is with Oracle JDK).
>
>
> so *any* package that is known to be marked as EOL sometime in the
> future before the upcoming Fedora EOL's gets removed from that future
> Fedora release ? Even that Java 7 is still the most used and targeted
> Java version ?
>
>
>
> Maybe I misunderstand the use-case, but your projects can still target Java
> 7 even if Eclipse is running on Java 8.
>
>
>
> That's not entirely true. This only works if a true JDK7 exists on the system.
> While newer JDKs are able to target older runtimes, there are cases where one
> can introduce source-incompatible changes that work in a newer JDK, but not in
> an older JDK. This matters for collaborating on projects where some team
> members are not using the newer JDK to target the older runtime. For instance,
> this happened with JDK7/JDK6 on my team... JDK7 allows certain use of generics
> syntax that properly compiles to JDK6 target, and validates in Eclipse as JDK6
> source-compatible, but the actual JDK6 compiler treats as an error. I had to
> abandon my use of Fedora 20 as a development environment for our project, and
> revert to CentOS6 in order to guarantee I wasn't introducing source that was
> incompatible with JDK6. Not making older JDKs (even stale ones) available is
> likely to discourage Java developers from using Fedora as a development
> platform.
>
conclusion? If -target 1.6 was specified, it should have been able to
run it on 6 without issues and any problems encountered are certainly
bugs.
Deepak
> Personally, unlike the original poster, I don't care which JVM Eclipse is
> running on, itself (OpenJDK 8, or whatever is latest, works for me). But, I do
> care about which JDKs are available on the system that Eclipse can launch to
> build projects, because that affects whether I can use Fedora as my development
> platform on team projects where some team members are using older JDKs (which
> should be fine, until the project bumps its minimum JVM dependency).
>
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