Re: [fedora-java] How to setup full-fledged Java development environment under FC5?

[Fernando Lozano]

Hi Dan,

You could start by better informing yourself. For example, Swing and AWT, for example, are
*not*
relased by the Eclipse Community. And FC5 includes "alternative" Java tools
because Sun tools are
not free software and so are not compatible with the Fedora Project goals. Althoug Sun
Java is
freeware (gratis) the license termos prevent any Linux distro to include it. The only
exception are
"enteprise" distributions like RHEL and SuSE, where the user has a support
contract this allows the
vendor do redistribute Sun Java integrated to their package management systems.

In my experience, FC4 and FC5 Java development enviroment are worth the effort, but
requires a level
of knowledge about Java and Linux which may not suit each and every project or developer.
The simply
fact they run Eclipse itself, Tomcat and Struts show the enviroment should be good enough
for
serious development.

Swing and AWT are the only pieces that are not ready for genenal use so if you need to use
or
develop Swing and AWT appos (like Netbeans) you'll need to install another JDK. But if
you need to
to GUI development you can use SWT and JavaGnome which are included on FC5 (of course you
could also
use those with Sun Java).

Nothing prevents you from using Sun Java and downloading stuff directly from the Eclipse
Foundation,
Apache Jakarta Project and others. You do not need to use only Sun or FC5 Java, you can
have both
and use each one for different projects. But you may get some surprises if you don't
know how to
properly configure your environment because you'll have two JVMs and more Java
compilers and
standard API implementations. It's simply a matter of changing your PATH and CLASSPATH
acording to
what you wll use.

Some developers (me included) prefer to use JPackage to deal with multiple JDKs and
manage
dependencies between Java packages. By the way FC5 packages are based and compatible with
JPackage.
But using JPackage with Sun Java requires you to first repackage the JDK because Sun
downloads are
not compliant with standard Linux packaging (the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) and the
licensing
terms won't alow anyone to redistribute a fixed packaging. Again, if you do have a
support contrat
from Red Hat or SuSE you may get compliant packages from them.

Actually, FC5 Java packages provide both native ports (created uding ECJ from Eclipse and
GCJ from
GCC) and standard class files inside JARs, so you don't need to download again
whatever is already
provided by FC5. Using native code is an option you do get with GCJ but not from Sun Java.
You could
just download another JDK (such as Sun's) and use it alongside FC5 packages if you
need something
that won't with the FC5 Java-tools.

For example, you can use Sun Java to run FC5 Eclipse if you need some plugin that
won't work with
GCH (the default Java for FC5).


[]s, Fernando Lozano

>  
>  I am at an impasse in deciding if it is worth taking the time
>  to get a Java development environment setup on FC5 for the
>  simple reason that FC5 recommends using their NATIVE ports
>  instead of using the "normal" download apps such as Sun's software,
>  Eclipse's software and so on.  The confusion lies in not knowing
>  what course of action to take coupled with the FC5 caveat that
>  by not using the FC native ports and properly installing Java
>  applications may break your work on Java.  This caveat alone
>  stops me from considering FC5 as a serious contender for a Java
>  development platform.
>  
>  On top of all of this, FC5's Java porting time-line plans states
>  that there are some serious work needed to get it all working right
>  (Swing/AWT, others?) so it seems to me that FC5 is just not ready
>  for a serious Java programming development environment and who
>  knows when and if it will be ready?
>  
>  Can anyone give me some pointers on how to get a serious
>  Java development environment setup going?  I want to have
>  full flexibility to download and install Eclipse tools and
>  applications without being unencumbered with Fedora's port
>  version preventing such operations, for example if I need
>  to get RCP, WSP, Swing, AWT, and the zillions of other things
>  that are rapidly being released by the Eclipse community.
>  
>  BTW: I have already visited the Fedora Java Wiki site
>  (http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/JavaFAQ) and
>  (http://www.jpackage.org/) but it is not "HOW TO" setup your Java
>  development environment.
>  
>  So...  how can I proceed?
>  
>  Totally confused,
>  Dan
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How to setup full-fledged Java development environment under FC5?

[Dan Thurman]

On Fri, 2006-03-31 at 17:51 -0200, fernando(a)lozano.eti.br wrote:
>  Hi Dan,
>   [snip] 
Thanks for informing me, it is very helpful.

I was basically told to go to Paul Howarth's Wiki
explaining how to setup FC4 using Jpackage so that
I can be able to use both Sun & Fedora's port.

http://fedoranews.org/mediawiki/index.php/JPackage_Java_for_FC4

I hope I am on the right track, if not please help
steer me in the right direction! :-)

I attempted to yum install fedora-rpmdevtools but
apparently this package does not exist in the extras
repository.

Any advice you can provide is appreciated!

Kind regards,
Dan