Dependency problem of freemind and groovy

[Johannes Lips]

Hi all,

I received the following bug report, which is mainly saying, that an 
average freemind install is a bit too big, because it installs a lot of 
eclipse* stuff. [1]
A short analysis shows that the eclipse stuff is pulled in by the 
following dep-chain:
freemind <- groovy <- jansi, jansi-native <- hawtjni <- xbean <- eclipse*
I just wanted to ask, if it's possible to split that chain somewhere and 
make it a bit easier to install freemind.

Thanks a lot,

Johannes

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904177

[Mat Booth]

On 2 February 2013 07:37, Johannes Lips <johannes.lips(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Hi all,
>
>  I received the following bug report, which is mainly saying, that an average
>  freemind install is a bit too big, because it installs a lot of eclipse*
>  stuff. [1]
>  A short analysis shows that the eclipse stuff is pulled in by the following
>  dep-chain:
>  freemind <- groovy <- jansi, jansi-native <- hawtjni <- xbean <- eclipse*
>  I just wanted to ask, if it's possible to split that chain somewhere and
>  make it a bit easier to install freemind.
>
>  Thanks a lot,
>
>  Johannes
>
>  [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=904177
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It looks like hawtjni could be the problem. It contains a code
generator and a runtime. It's the code-generator that brings in the
xbean->eclipse-rcp chain, not the runtime. So the solution may be to
get the code-generator part of hawtjni package split into a
sub-package so that jansi can depend on only the runtime part and the
code-generator can be a BuildRequires instead.


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Mat Booth
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[Mikolaj Izdebski]

>  I received the following bug report, which is mainly saying, that an
>  average freemind install is a bit too big, because it installs a lot
>  of
>  eclipse* stuff. [1]
>  A short analysis shows that the eclipse stuff is pulled in by the
>  following dep-chain:
>  freemind <- groovy <- jansi, jansi-native <- hawtjni <- xbean <-
>  eclipse*
>  I just wanted to ask, if it's possible to split that chain somewhere
>  and
>  make it a bit easier to install freemind. 
This is a known problem. It affects not only freemind, but many
other packages too.

A possible solution would be to split freemind package (or some
other packages) into more subpackages.

--
Mikolaj

[Johannes Lips]

On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Mikolaj Izdebski <mizdebsk(a)redhat.com&gt;wrote:

>  > I received the following bug report, which is mainly saying,
> that an
>  > average freemind install is a bit too big, because it installs a lot
>  > of
>  > eclipse* stuff. [1]
>  > A short analysis shows that the eclipse stuff is pulled in by the
>  > following dep-chain:
>  > freemind <- groovy <- jansi, jansi-native <- hawtjni <- xbean <-
>  > eclipse*
>  > I just wanted to ask, if it's possible to split that chain somewhere
>  > and
>  > make it a bit easier to install freemind.
>
>  This is a known problem. It affects not only freemind, but many
>  other packages too.
>
>  A possible solution would be to split freemind package (or some
>  other packages) into more subpackages.
>  
Wouldn't it then not be the easiest way to split up the package which
probably causes this? Which is hawtjni in this case.
I don't know if it's possible to split up freemind in a sensible manner,
since it's much more exposed to users.


>  --
>  Mikolaj
>

[Stanislav Ochotnicky]

Quoting Johannes Lips (2013-02-04 09:49:19)
>  On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Mikolaj Izdebski
> <mizdebsk(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  
>      > I received the following bug report, which is mainly saying, that an
>      > average freemind install is a bit too big, because it installs a lot
>      > of
>      > eclipse* stuff. [1]
>      > A short analysis shows that the eclipse stuff is pulled in by the
>      > following dep-chain:
>      > freemind <- groovy <- jansi, jansi-native <- hawtjni <- xbean <-
>      > eclipse*
>      > I just wanted to ask, if it's possible to split that chain somewhere
>      > and
>      > make it a bit easier to install freemind.
>  
>      This is a known problem. It affects not only freemind, but many
>      other packages too.
>  
>      A possible solution would be to split freemind package (or some
>      other packages) into more subpackages.
>  
>  Wouldn't it then not be the easiest way to split up the package which probably
>  causes this? Which is hawtjni in this case.
>  I don't know if it's possible to split up freemind in a sensible manner, since
>  it's much more exposed to users. 
I've managed to look at it a bit and this has partially been fixed in rawhide.
Basically the biggest issue was that xbean subpackages had Requires on
eclipse-rcp instead of eclipse-equinox-osgi. 

It will likely not solve the whole issue, but it will help a lot. mizdebsk is
going to do an xbean update soon.


-- 
Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky(a)redhat.com&gt;
Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno

PGP: 7B087241
Red Hat Inc.                               http://cz.redhat.com

[Johannes Lips]

Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote on Tue 05 Feb 2013 
04:57:49 PM CET:
>  Quoting Johannes Lips (2013-02-04 09:49:19)
> > On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Mikolaj Izdebski <mizdebsk(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> >      > I received the following bug report, which is mainly saying, that an
> >      > average freemind install is a bit too big, because it installs a lot
> >      > of
> >      > eclipse* stuff. [1]
> >      > A short analysis shows that the eclipse stuff is pulled in by the
> >      > following dep-chain:
> >      > freemind <- groovy <- jansi, jansi-native <- hawtjni <- xbean
> <-
> >      > eclipse*
> >      > I just wanted to ask, if it's possible to split that chain somewhere
> >      > and
> >      > make it a bit easier to install freemind.
> >
> >      This is a known problem. It affects not only freemind, but many
> >      other packages too.
> >
> >      A possible solution would be to split freemind package (or some
> >      other packages) into more subpackages.
> >
> > Wouldn't it then not be the easiest way to split up the package which probably
> > causes this? Which is hawtjni in this case.
> > I don't know if it's possible to split up freemind in a sensible manner,
> since
> > it's much more exposed to users.
>
>  I've managed to look at it a bit and this has partially been fixed in rawhide.
>  Basically the biggest issue was that xbean subpackages had Requires on
>  eclipse-rcp instead of eclipse-equinox-osgi.
>
>  It will likely not solve the whole issue, but it will help a lot. mizdebsk is
>  going to do an xbean update soon. 
Hi,
It solved quite a bit of the deps:
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Updating:
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     /xbean-3.12-4.fc18.noarch      446 k
Removing for dependencies:
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     @fedora                        7.9 M
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     @fedora                        546 k
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Transaction Summary
================================================================================================================
Upgrade  1 Package
Remove              ( 56 Dependent packages)

Total size: 446 k
Is this ok [y/N]: y

I think this was definitely worth it, thanks a lot for doing that!

Johannes
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