* Max Rydahl Andersen <manderse(a)redhat.com> [2014-10-31 04:18]:
>>>Fedora 20 used to have 3 different Java versions (5, 7, 8).
>>ok, why no Java 6 ?
>Besides many technical reason the biggest one is non-technical in my eyes
>- no one volunteered to do it. You know it's always a matter of "who will
>do the work?". I'm pretty sure that if someone jumps in and say "Hey,
>maintain Java 6, fix problems/adopt Java 6 to changes in the OS if
>neeeded, help strengthen the switching between JREs, go through the Java
>projects(shipped in Fedora) and help them properly set their targets in
>build scripts so builds properly work on Java 6 and etc" there will be no
>objection to having Java 6. :)
>>>was removed from F21 because its support will end before F21 EOL and
>>>don't want to ship software not supported by upstream.
>>So for users most stable thing is to use Oracle JDK builds instead which
>>are and will stay available ?
>Users can still try to use it but it's something that they have to do on
>their own - download, extract, set PATH, etc. Just like on every platform
>with Oracle JVM.
Yeah, this is similar experience for developers on all other platforms so
>>No separate repo with "binaries that is currently supported but will not
>>stay supported for all of fedora 21 lifetime" ?
>1. Fedora can not legally redistribute Oracle JDK.
I know - hence why I would think having a openjdk 7 build would make sense.
Oracle JDK7 and OpenJDK 7 will both EOL in April 2015:
So they will expire within the lifetime of Fedora 20 and 21, and it
again comes down to volunteer for maintainership at that point.
>2. Fedora can not distribute something that Fedora developers can
>support if there is a problem in it (as it is with Oracle JDK).
so *any* package that is known to be marked as EOL sometime in the future
before the upcoming Fedora EOL's gets removed from that future Fedora
release ? Even that Java 7 is still the most used and targeted Java version
That is not the case. OpenJDK7 will EOL before 20 and 21, and despite
that, we will support it in 20. OpenJDK7 has been removed only from
How does fedora handle it when a package stops being maintained
with not proper warning ? Do they get removed or just lets getting be stale
If removed - why couldn't that be done for Java7 ?
If just letting get stale - why couldn't that be done for Java7 ?
Security is the biggest reason for not doing this. Java has CPUs each
quarter at the least, so within 3 months we would end up with a version
with major security issues.
And I assume the answers is you just don't have time/power to maintain it
and thats is fully grokkable - but then
it seems to me it would be good for users if we at least explain how they
can use another Java 7 in fedora eclipse context (which was the initial
We shouldn't recommend users to use an unsupported, insecure version. I
understand that that is not the case right now, but it will be within
a few months of F21 being released.
The appropriate solution IMO is that users file bugs for 8 and we fix
them so that everyone can benefit.
(Will let Alex answer about Eclipse part below).
Thus is the answer to that to tell users to have their custom
pointing at the oracle JDK 7 and then
launch eclipse pointing to the vm ?
Like 'eclipse --launcher.ini <ini.location>'
As described in https://wiki.eclipse.org/Eclipse.ini
or is there any known problems with that ?
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