GNU Classpath distro DevJam

[Mark Wielaard]

Hi all,

Various Debian packagers and developers are interested in coming
together to improve the Free Software tool chain, the programs and
the free runtime environments for software written in the java
programming language.

For such a meeting we would like to include packagers from various
distributions to coordinate on library names, dependency and
versioning. And to share experiences on how to integrate and map
dependencies of tools like ant and maven when creating traditional
GNU/Linux distribution packages.

So we are proposing a developer and packager meeting around
coordinating and improving the state of packaging of large scale
applications written in the java programming language using the GNU
Classpath, gcj and other free java-like tool chains for the various
GNU/Linux distributions.

Please see DevJam wiki for details:
http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam

We hope to get together a group of (20 till 30) people wanting to do
some hands on hacking to show the state of the art in packaging.
Resulting in the availability of several new packages, improvements to
the free tool chains and cross-distribution packaging conventions
quickly after the meeting.

One of the ideas to keep the cost down for now is sharing the meeting
with another group in Oldenburg, Germany, from September 21st to
September 25th. http://meeting.ffis.de/Oldenburg2005/

If you are interested please add you name and thoughts about how to
make such a meeting most effective to the wiki! And please contact us
if you are interested in sponsoring the effort.

Cheers,

Mark

[John M. Gabriele]

This rocks! :)

When they refer to standardizing on one package format,
are they talking about maybe some metapackage based on
JPP's RPMS that can easily be converted to a .deb?

Are there going to be any Redhat/Fedora Java devs
attending?

This is awesome news. Makes me hum that John Lennon
song "Imagine". :)

---John

--- Mark Wielaard  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Various Debian packagers and developers are interested in coming
> together to improve the Free Software tool chain, the programs and
> the free runtime environments for software written in the java
> programming language.
>
> For such a meeting we would like to include packagers from various
> distributions to coordinate on library names, dependency and
> versioning. And to share experiences on how to integrate and map
> dependencies of tools like ant and maven when creating traditional
> GNU/Linux distribution packages.
>
> So we are proposing a developer and packager meeting around
> coordinating and improving the state of packaging of large scale
> applications written in the java programming language using the GNU
> Classpath, gcj and other free java-like tool chains for the various
> GNU/Linux distributions.
>
> Please see DevJam wiki for details:
> http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam
>
> We hope to get together a group of (20 till 30) people wanting to do
> some hands on hacking to show the state of the art in packaging.
> Resulting in the availability of several new packages, improvements to
> the free tool chains and cross-distribution packaging conventions
> quickly after the meeting.
>
> One of the ideas to keep the cost down for now is sharing the meeting
> with another group in Oldenburg, Germany, from September 21st to
> September 25th. http://meeting.ffis.de/Oldenburg2005/
>
> If you are interested please add you name and thoughts about how to
> make such a meeting most effective to the wiki! And please contact us
> if you are interested in sponsoring the effort.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
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[Mark Wielaard]

Hi,

On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 09:23 -0700, John M. Gabriele wrote:
> This rocks! :)

We hope so :)
> When they refer to standardizing on one package format,
> are they talking about maybe some metapackage based on
> JPP's RPMS that can easily be converted to a .deb?

Yes, it seems in practise the packagers of the various distributions do
agree that JPackage is the common packaging systems to adopt in some way
(most have already adopted something based on it). The differences
between the distributions are mostly on finer details of the standard,
how to adopt/translate the jpackage defined dependencies into
distribution specific package dependencies, how to integrate any
policies/compilation conventions specific to the distro and how to
integrate gcj ahead-of-time compilation, etc.
> Are there going to be any Redhat/Fedora Java devs
> attending?

Although various fedora hackers/packagers said they thought it was
really interesting nobody added their name to the list of interested
people on http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam
Please add your name if you are maintaining a package for fedora (or
jpackage, or some other distro) and are interested in attending. Even if
you cannot attend because of the time and place. In that case please add
a little note that you cannot attend because of the time/place, but
would love to attend the hackfest and have lots of ideas for it. If
there are a lot of people interested from the various distros for which
Oldenburg next month is inconvenient then we might want to look at some
other meeting place/date.

If there are enough people listed/interested I also want to setup a
cross-distro mailinglist to discuss the hacking oppertunities for the
DevJam meeting. The idea really is to come together to remove any
immediate common/shared showstoppers in the packaging tools/scripts and
gcj, classpath and kaffe toolchains that are blocking full adoption of
some packages written in the java programming language. And if there is
not enough time to finish the hacking during the event itself to come up
with lists of urgent work items for specific packages.

Cheers,

Mark

[Andrew Haley]

Mark Wielaard writes:
> > Are there going to be any Redhat/Fedora Java devs
> > attending?
>
> Although various fedora hackers/packagers said they thought it was
> really interesting nobody added their name to the list of interested
> people on http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam
> Please add your name if you are maintaining a package for fedora (or
> jpackage, or some other distro) and are interested in attending. Even if
> you cannot attend because of the time and place.

I guess I'm quite keen to go, but the last time I went to a conference
in Germany was LinuxTag where everyone was speaking German, so apart
from my own talk it was not very productive for me.

Andrew.

[Mark Wielaard]

Hi Andrew,

On Mon, 2005-09-05 at 11:47 +0100, Andrew Haley wrote:
> > http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam
> > Please add your name if you are maintaining a package for fedora (or
> > jpackage, or some other distro) and are interested in attending. Even if
> > you cannot attend because of the time and place.
>
> I guess I'm quite keen to go, but the last time I went to a conference
> in Germany was LinuxTag where everyone was speaking German, so apart
> from my own talk it was not very productive for me.

I promise you that I won't talk German!

The meeting is really meant as a hackers for hackers meeting centered
around practical, technical discussions in smaller groups. There will be
no long German monologues :)

More and more information is added to the wiki so please read it again
and possibly add some things you find important.

Thanks,

Mark

GNU Classpath distro DevJam "Europe" (Oldenburg, Germany, 23 - 25 September)

[Mark Wielaard]

Hi all,

On Wed, 2005-08-17 at 16:02 +0200, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> Various Debian packagers and developers are interested in coming
> together to improve the Free Software tool chain, the programs and
> the free runtime environments for software written in the java
> programming language.
>
> For such a meeting we would like to include packagers from various
> distributions to coordinate on library names, dependency and
> versioning. And to share experiences on how to integrate and map
> dependencies of tools like ant and maven when creating traditional
> GNU/Linux distribution packages.
>
> So we are proposing a developer and packager meeting around
> coordinating and improving the state of packaging of large scale
> applications written in the java programming language using the GNU
> Classpath, gcj and other free java-like tool chains for the various
> GNU/Linux distributions.
>
> Please see DevJam wiki for details:
> http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam
>
> We hope to get together a group of (20 till 30) people wanting to do
> some hands on hacking to show the state of the art in packaging.
> Resulting in the availability of several new packages, improvements to
> the free tool chains and cross-distribution packaging conventions
> quickly after the meeting.

We got a lot of interest for this meeting and would like to announce
that we will have a gathering in Oldenburg, Germany on Friday 23 till
Sunday 25 September.

To reduce the costs the meeting will be shared with the Oldenburg Linux
Developers Meeting 2005 group: http://meeting.ffis.de/Oldenburg2005/
There will be cheap accommodation for those that bring their own
sleeping bags and mattress. See for more information on Oldenburg and
how to get there by car, train or plane:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldenburg
http://meeting.ffis.de/Oldenburg2004/routing.html

If you haven't added your name to the interested people list on the wiki
please do so soon: http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam
We hope people can arrive on Thursday evening so we can start fresh and
early on Friday 23th of September.

Since we know that there has also been a lot of interest of people
outside Europe we would like to make this our "European" meeting and
schedule a "Worldwide" or "Regional" DevJam++ meeting in a couple of
months to give more people the opportunity to attend. If you are
interested in helping to organize that please add suggestions to the
Wiki: http://java.debian.net/index.php/DevJam++

Cheers,

Mark