Java-sig pseudo user and commit messages incoming

[Stanislav Ochotnicky]

If you read Java SIG's latest meeting summary you know we decided to use
this mailing list for commit messages addressed to java-sig pseudo-user.

Pseudo-user has been created and mailing list has been set-up to allow
commit messages from monitored packages[1] (thanks to tibbs and mjw)

This means there will be quite a lot of messages incoming but they
should be easy to filter with your mail client. If you want java-sig to
monitor and check your commits you can add java-sig pseudo user to CC
for your package. For old packages follow [2]. For new packages that you
want to have monitored just add java-sig to CC when asking for SCM.
This is not mandatory (at least for now), but still encouraged :-)

One thing to note: email of java-sig is this mailing list
(fedora-java@l.f.o) but emails will be comming as if from comitter's
email address as present in FAS. Currently ML is set-up to allow
messages from @fedoraproject.org mail addresses. It will reject commit
messages from other email addresses. If you use different mail for
java-devel ML and for FAS then let me know off-list and I'll add
exception for your email (I just don't feel like checking manually or
scripting this right now).

I'll be sending similar notice to people on fedora-devel in case they
want to add their packages to monitoring.

[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Java/Monitored_packages
[2]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_SCM_admin_requests#Package_Change_Req...

[Andrew Hughes]

On 12:55 Fri 05 Nov     , Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> If you read Java SIG's latest meeting summary you know we decided to use
> this mailing list for commit messages addressed to java-sig pseudo-user.
>
> Pseudo-user has been created and mailing list has been set-up to allow
> commit messages from monitored packages[1] (thanks to tibbs and mjw)
>
> This means there will be quite a lot of messages incoming but they
> should be easy to filter with your mail client. If you want java-sig to
> monitor and check your commits you can add java-sig pseudo user to CC
> for your package. For old packages follow [2]. For new packages that you
> want to have monitored just add java-sig to CC when asking for SCM.
> This is not mandatory (at least for now), but still encouraged :-)
>
> One thing to note: email of java-sig is this mailing list
> (fedora-java@l.f.o) but emails will be comming as if from comitter's
> email address as present in FAS. Currently ML is set-up to allow
> messages from @fedoraproject.org mail addresses. It will reject commit
> messages from other email addresses. If you use different mail for
> java-devel ML and for FAS then let me know off-list and I'll add
> exception for your email (I just don't feel like checking manually or
> scripting this right now).

Why can't these commit messages be sent to a new mailing list rather than
flooding this one?
> I'll be sending similar notice to people on fedora-devel in case they
> want to add their packages to monitoring.
>
> [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Java/Monitored_packages
> [2]
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_SCM_admin_requests#Package_Change_Req...
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[Mario Torre]

Il giorno ven, 05/11/2010 alle 14.06 +0000, Dr Andrew John Hughes ha
scritto:
> On 12:55 Fri 05 Nov     , Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> > If you read Java SIG's latest meeting summary you know we decided to use
> > this mailing list for commit messages addressed to java-sig pseudo-user.
> >
> > Pseudo-user has been created and mailing list has been set-up to allow
> > commit messages from monitored packages[1] (thanks to tibbs and mjw)
> >
> > This means there will be quite a lot of messages incoming but they
> > should be easy to filter with your mail client. If you want java-sig to
> > monitor and check your commits you can add java-sig pseudo user to CC
> > for your package. For old packages follow [2]. For new packages that you
> > want to have monitored just add java-sig to CC when asking for SCM.
> > This is not mandatory (at least for now), but still encouraged :-)
> >
> > One thing to note: email of java-sig is this mailing list
> > (fedora-java@l.f.o) but emails will be comming as if from comitter's
> > email address as present in FAS. Currently ML is set-up to allow
> > messages from @fedoraproject.org mail addresses. It will reject commit
> > messages from other email addresses. If you use different mail for
> > java-devel ML and for FAS then let me know off-list and I'll add
> > exception for your email (I just don't feel like checking manually or
> > scripting this right now).
>
> Why can't these commit messages be sent to a new mailing list rather than
> flooding this one?

I second that, I like this follow his list and some times problem here
arise that are of more general interest, but I would really like to not
have floods of commit messages (I know I can filter them, but at times
people reply to commit messages, things can become quite messy).

Cheers,
Mario

[Chris Spike]

On 11/05/2010 04:20 PM, Mario Torre wrote:
> > > If you read Java SIG's latest meeting summary you know we decided to use
> > > this mailing list for commit messages addressed to java-sig pseudo-user.
> > Why can't these commit messages be sent to a new mailing list rather than
> > flooding this one?
>
> I second that, I like this follow his list and some times problem here
> arise that are of more general interest, but I would really like to not
> have floods of commit messages (I know I can filter them, but at times
> people reply to commit messages, things can become quite messy).

Hava a look at the meeting logs[1]. IIRC nobody wanted to put some work
into this. I'm quite sure, people wouldn't mind if you take care. Just
put it on the meeting agenda [2] and attend the next meeting.

Regards, Chris

[1]
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-10-19/fedora-meeting.20...
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Java_SIG_2010-11-16

[Andrew Hughes]

On 16:20 Fri 05 Nov     , Mario Torre wrote:
> Il giorno ven, 05/11/2010 alle 14.06 +0000, Dr Andrew John Hughes ha
> scritto:
> > On 12:55 Fri 05 Nov     , Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> > > If you read Java SIG's latest meeting summary you know we decided to use
> > > this mailing list for commit messages addressed to java-sig pseudo-user.
> > >
> > > Pseudo-user has been created and mailing list has been set-up to allow
> > > commit messages from monitored packages[1] (thanks to tibbs and mjw)
> > >
> > > This means there will be quite a lot of messages incoming but they
> > > should be easy to filter with your mail client. If you want java-sig to
> > > monitor and check your commits you can add java-sig pseudo user to CC
> > > for your package. For old packages follow [2]. For new packages that you
> > > want to have monitored just add java-sig to CC when asking for SCM.
> > > This is not mandatory (at least for now), but still encouraged :-)
> > >
> > > One thing to note: email of java-sig is this mailing list
> > > (fedora-java@l.f.o) but emails will be comming as if from comitter's
> > > email address as present in FAS. Currently ML is set-up to allow
> > > messages from @fedoraproject.org mail addresses. It will reject commit
> > > messages from other email addresses. If you use different mail for
> > > java-devel ML and for FAS then let me know off-list and I'll add
> > > exception for your email (I just don't feel like checking manually or
> > > scripting this right now).
> >
> > Why can't these commit messages be sent to a new mailing list rather than
> > flooding this one?
>
> I second that, I like this follow his list and some times problem here
> arise that are of more general interest, but I would really like to not
> have floods of commit messages (I know I can filter them, but at times
> people reply to commit messages, things can become quite messy).
>
> Cheers,
> Mario
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So today I've had to delete about ten such e-mails on this list.  Not only
is this a waste of time, but the e-mails appear as bug reports in many cases
and so get confused with real bug reports that I actually care about.

Please move these automated messages to a separate list.

[Mario Torre]

Il giorno lun, 22/11/2010 alle 19.55 +0000, Dr Andrew John Hughes ha
scritto:
> So today I've had to delete about ten such e-mails on this list.  Not only
> is this a waste of time, but the e-mails appear as bug reports in many cases
> and so get confused with real bug reports that I actually care about.
>
> Please move these automated messages to a separate list.

I second that.

@Chris Spike:
> Hava a look at the meeting logs[1]. IIRC nobody wanted to put some
> work into this. I'm quite sure, people wouldn't mind if you take care.
> Just put it on the meeting agenda [2] and attend the next meeting.

I understand your point, but I think Java SIG doesn't really have the
right to change the behaviour of a list in this way, this was discussed
only by two persons if I read the log correctly, but this decision has
impact on every one who uses this list, and, I don't have time to follow
SIG meetings or take care of anything else, it's quite bad, and I really
would like to dedicate more time, but this is the way it is, and now
this list has become just useless.

Making a new mailing list is cheap, or *if you really have to use this
one*, just make a nice weekly summary, with a clear subject of what's
going on, and don't flood us. This is even in the most minimal
netiquette requirement, if not common sense.

Thanks,
Mario

[Mark Wielaard]

On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 12:55 +0100, Stanislav Ochotnicky wrote:
> One thing to note: email of java-sig is this mailing list
> (fedora-java@l.f.o) but emails will be comming as if from comitter's
> email address as present in FAS. Currently ML is set-up to allow
> messages from @fedoraproject.org mail addresses. It will reject commit
> messages from other email addresses. If you use different mail for
> java-devel ML and for FAS then let me know off-list and I'll add
> exception for your email (I just don't feel like checking manually or
> scripting this right now).
>
> I'll be sending similar notice to people on fedora-devel in case they
> want to add their packages to monitoring.

I added emails having [e-mail] as destination
as acceptable for this mailinglist. But I do agree that it might be a
good idea to have a separate list for commits and discussion.

Cheers,

Mark