June 2009 - kde - Fedora mailing-lists

Ping Rex
by Anne Wilson 22 Dec '09

22 Dec '09

Rex, some time ago you told me the best way to start gpg-agent under Fedora. Unfortunately I can't find the message, and I have problems with agent on the F10 netbook and the newly repaired CentOS 5.2 box. If you could tell me again I'll make sure that it is easily found - a gpg page has been started on userbase, so I could put it there. Anne

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KWord has lost its toolbox
by Anne Wilson 17 Jul '09

17 Jul '09

I installed the RC package of koffice2 when Rex built it, and recently updated it to the 2.0.0 version. I'm struggling to use kword, as the toolbox appears to have gone missing. Any ideas? Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase

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OpneGL after upgrade to Fedora 11 not working
by Martin (KDE) 06 Jul '09

06 Jul '09

Hallo there after a upgrade from Fedora 10 to 11 my openGL no longer works as expected. The windows flashes and disapears, Icons are missing, decoration borders are missing, buttons shows up and disapears. With F10 everything works as expected. I have tried xrender and it works, but it is slower as openGL. Currently I have disabled the openGL stuff. My hardware: ATI 9200SE on a pentium 4. Any tips? Martin

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Display corruption in KDE on F11 with intel graphics
by Andreas Petzold 02 Jul '09

02 Jul '09

Hi, since I've upgraded from F10 to F11, I'm getting corrupted graphics in many kde apps. See http://iktp.tu-dresden.de/~petzold/corrupt.png for an example. Usually, the desktop background is displayed in toolbars instead of the regular toolbar background, but sometimes this also happens in other places. If I resize the window or mouse-over the affected parts of the window, the problem fixes itself, but it will reappear soon. I've only seen this with kde apps and not with others like firefox. Since F10 and F11 use the same qt version I suspect the intel drivel for my venerable i830 graphics chipset is at fault. Does anybody on this list use F11 with kde on a machine with an (old) intel chipset with or without the same problems that I'm seeing? I haven't had the time to play around with any of the different acceleration options of the new intel driver, I'll check that later. Cheers, Andreas

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KDE Scanning software
by Arthur Pemberton 02 Jul '09

02 Jul '09

I remember in older versions of Fedora, scanning via SANE with KDE was very easy, there was a dedicated SANE frontend, right now there seems to be none. If either of you maintainers have the available cycles, please take a look at Skanlite[1] it's the KDE4 SANE frontend listed on the SANE website. I'll be checking as to if there is something better for this task. [1] http://docs.kde.org/development/en/extragear-graphics/skanlite/ -- Fedora 10 (www.pembo13.com)

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libical-0.43.tar.gz
by Graeme Nichols 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

Hi, I have KMyMoney2 installed on my Fedora 8 machine and wish to install the Calendar Plug-in. To do so I need the libical headers which means that as well as the subject tarball I also need the libical-devel-0.43.tar.gz tarball. Unfortunately after hours of Googling I cannot find the devel tarball. Can anybody point me in the right direction for the devel tarball? Or better still, will the RPM packages for Fedora 9 install under Fedora 8? The Fedora 8 RPM packages are not of a high enough release. KMyMoney2 need libical-0.33 or higher. -- Kind regards, Graeme Nichols. ... Registered Linux User 381781 (http://counter.li.org/) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- - There are no saints, only unrecognised villains. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Raising the bar
by Jaroslav Reznik 01 Jul '09

01 Jul '09

On Monday 29 June 2009 21:27:27 Matthias Clasen wrote: > Hey all, > > we'd like to announce the 'Fit and Finish' initiative for Fedora, > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fit_and_Finish > > with the goal to improve the user experience of the Fedora desktop. We > want to identify the small (and sometimes large) roadblocks that make > everyday computer use harder than it needs to be, and try to fix them. Does this apply only to so called "Fedora desktop" = Gnome or to Fedora Desktop - as desktop environments (KDE, LXDE, XFCE4)? If only for Gnome, can we attend this effort either? Speaking in name of KDE SIG? It looks really interesting for me - avoid small bad user experience. Jaroslav > 'Fit and Finish' is meant to be complementary to the work of the Fedora > QA team. They do a great job of ensuring the quality of all the new > features that land in Fedora each cycle. But when features are developed > and tested on their own, the overall experience of the system as a whole > can sometimes end up a bit uneven and rough. 'Fit and Finish' will focus > on improving the way our users experience Fedora. > > To achieve this, we will hold regular test days, each of which will > focus on use cases in a certain area. A few ideas for test day topics > can be found on the 'Fit and Finish' page already. If you have ideas for > other areas that could benefit from this kind of attention, please let > us know. > > Our first test day will focus on display configuration, and will be held > on Tuesday, July 7, from 12:00 to 21:00 UTC (8am -> 5pm EDT), in the > fedora-fit-and-finish irc channel on FreeNode. Please come and join us > there ! > > > Matthias Clasen for the Desktop team

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Name/GenericName entries in .desktop files
by Sonic 30 Jun '09

30 Jun '09

Hello I was tracking a bug about KRunner not find results for entries like gimp, pidgin etc. and Aaron Seigo asked to check the corresponding .desktop files. When I check /usr/share/applications/pidgin.desktop, I find that both 'Name' and 'GenericName' entries have "Internet Messenger". Isn't it more appropriate to have the Name as the name of the application (Pidgin) and the above as the GenericName? In fact almost all translations of Name have Pidgin in them. It seems KRunner looks in Name, GenericName and Keywords entries in the .desktop files. And since pidgin is mentioned in neither of these, it isn't listed. See the bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=162497 Can anything be done about this? regards, Syam

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synce-* depsolving problem
by Thomas Moschny 29 Jun '09

29 Jun '09

There are new synce-* packages in updates for f11, that don't play well with kde-redhat, maybe some packages there need to be updated? Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package synce-hal.x86_64 0:0.13.1-3.fc11 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: synce-serial for package: vdccm-0.10.1-5.fc11.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: synce-serial for package: synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.x86_64 ---> Package synce-sync-engine.x86_64 0:0.13-3.fc11 set to be updated --> Finished Dependency Resolution vdccm-0.10.1-5.fc11.x86_64 from installed has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: synce-serial is needed by package vdccm-0.10.1-5.fc11.x86_64 (installed) synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.x86_64 from installed has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: synce-serial is needed by package synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.x86_64 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: synce-serial is needed by package vdccm-0.10.1-5.fc11.x86_64 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: synce-serial is needed by package synce-kde-0.9.1-4.fc11.x86_64 (installed) You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem -- Thomas Moschny <thomas.moschny(a)gmail.com>

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Kmail starts with searchbar selected
by Martin (KDE) 29 Jun '09

29 Jun '09

Hallo after my upgrade to F11 my kmail starts with the searchbar selected, but only if there is no new mail in my inbox. Is there anyone seeing this too? Martin

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Login background change
by Anne Wilson 28 Jun '09

28 Jun '09

Currently when I log in I get the solar backdrop. How can I change this to leonidas? Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase

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Automatic upgrade - incomplete kde?
by Anne Wilson 28 Jun '09

28 Jun '09

I allowed the automatic update on the netbook last night. All seemed to go well up to and including the message that it was finishing off the install. When next I looked I had a black screen with a white square cursor. I left this overnight, in case something was still running in the background, but it wasn't. A reboot brought the same display. I was able to get a level3 login, both as user and root. Can someone advise me where to look now? Thanks Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase

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Re: Minor dovecot/KMail problem
by Kevin Kofler 26 Jun '09

26 Jun '09

Timothy Murphy wrote: > You are going to find this difficult to believe, > but I did not actually understand your reference to "upstream" > in response to my query (I was the OP). "Upstream" is literally where the water you're seeing in the river is coming from. For software, it means where the software is coming from. (Is that metaphor really that hard to comprehend? :-( ) So for KDE, that's the KDE project. Reporting bugs upstream means reporting them in their bug tracker, which is located at: https://bugs.kde.org/ Kevin Kofler

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system bell in konsole
by Orion Poplawski 26 Jun '09

26 Jun '09

How do I get konsole to output a system bell beep on a bell? In System Settings -> System Bell I've checked use system bell, and the test button makes a noise, but no effect on konsole. konsole -> settings -> configure notifications doesn't seem to give the option of using the system bell, and play sound -> browse just puts you in your home directory which is kind of useless if you are looking for system sounds. Thanks! -- Orion Poplawski Technical Manager 303-415-9701 x222 NWRA/CoRA Division FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane orion(a)cora.nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 http://www.cora.nwra.com

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fc10 x86_64 missing packages
by John Pilkington 26 Jun '09

26 Jun '09

Hi Rex, I have 9 newish packages of 4.2.4 flavour that won't install - including kdebase, kdebase-libs, kdm, kdeartwork. They need matching kdebase-runtime and kdepimlibs, and ksysguardd looks more complicated. Are these in the pipeline? I have 'stable' and 'testing' enabled. Currently 'Upgrade all' proposes to revert some packages from 4.2.3 to 4.1.2 Thanks a lot, John P

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Re: Minor dovecot/KMail problem
by Rex Dieter 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

Anne Wilson wrote: > On Wednesday 24 June 2009 01:41:07 Kevin Kofler wrote: >> I know what distribution packagers do, I am a Fedora KDE packager. And we >> ask users to report their bugs upstream unless there is evidence that >> they're specific to Fedora. The vast majority of bugs which are reported >> to us are NOT specific to Fedora, they're upstream bugs. Also note that >> we don't even have that many patches, we try to stay as close to upstream >> as possible. > > This is contrary to what I've been told. It's not a black or white thing, and often depends on case-by-case factors, including who you're dealing with, the severity of the issue at hand, etc... > I always recommend trying to ascertain whether other distros also see the > problem, and to report it upstream if that seems to be so. If it is not > possible to ascertain that I was told that it should in the first instance > be reported to the distro, who will then pass it upstream if relevant. Here's my quick $0.02: When distro maintainers (fedora kde-sig) ask reporters to upstream issues, it is usually at the point where it is strongly believed to not be a distro-specific issue. For issues the team deams critical and reproducible, sure, we'll usually take the reigns from there. Otherwise, our usual sop is also, to ask reporters to upstream issues themselves. And even then "Upstream" here sometimes has varying meanings, from "ask on upstream mailing list" (similar to checking other distros) to reporting on upstream bug trackers. The moral of my story is to prevent issues languishing downstream indefinitely, to avoid the kind of comment "this bug has been around forever, why is it still a problem and not fixed?", which does no one any good, esp when upstreams aren't made aware of the issues (which, by all accounts so far, seems to be what happened here in this particular dovecot/kmail case). Hopefully this clarifies things, as I see it. I don't mind continuing to discuss the details of how all this happens, and how best to share the burdens of bug reporting, followup, reproducibility, triage, etc... Actually, I'd invite such dialog, to make things better for everyone involved.

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help
by Charles J Smith III 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

i'm new to fedora, let alone fedora 11. i've installed the full version of fedora 11 and by default got the gnome desktop. i've done teh yum install system-switch-desktopmanager and switched to kde i've gone to and downloaded the kde package i've restarted and get the kde login but when i log into my user i get only screen with a terminal box in the bottom right corner. i've logged into to su, and cd /etc/sysconfig and nano my desktop file and it has desktop=kde and displaymanager=kde. how do i get the kde desktop? when i log out and log in as root, it works fine. only as the user do i get the terminal box. please help. charles

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Are repo databases being regenerated
by Eli Wapniarski 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

Hi Rex Are you regenerating repo databases? No Presto metadata available for fedora http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/10/x86_64/stable/repodata/r…: [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (111, 'Connection refused')> Trying other mirror. No Presto metadata available for kde-redhat-stable http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/10/x86_64/testing/repodata/…: [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (111, 'Connection refused')> Trying other mirror. No Presto metadata available for kde-redhat-testing http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/10/x86_64/unstable/repodata…: [Errno 4] IOError: <urlopen error (111, 'Connection refused')> Trying other mirror. No Presto metadata available for kde-redhat-unstable -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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F10 update problem?
by Thomas Davis 25 Jun '09

25 Jun '09

[root@localhost ~]# yum update Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/fedora/all/stable/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404: Not Found Trying other mirror. ftp://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/fedora/all/stable/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 4] IOError: [Errno ftp error] 550 Failed to change directory. Trying other mirror. Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package kdeartwork.x86_64 0:4.2.4-1.fc10 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: kdebase-workspace >= 4.2.4 for package: kdeartwork-4.2.4-1.fc10.x86_64 ---> Package kdeartwork-kxs.x86_64 0:4.2.4-1.fc10 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: kdebase-workspace >= 4.2.4 for package: kdeartwork-kxs-4.2.4-1.fc10.x86_64 ---> Package kdeartwork-screensavers.x86_64 0:4.2.4-1.fc10 set to be updated ---> Package kdeartwork-sounds.noarch 0:4.2.4-1.fc10 set to be updated ---> Package kdeartwork-wallpapers.noarch 0:4.2.4-1.fc10 set to be updated --> Finished Dependency Resolution kdeartwork-kxs-4.2.4-1.fc10.x86_64 from kde has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: kdebase-workspace >= 4.2.4 is needed by package kdeartwork-kxs-4.2.4-1.fc10.x86_64 (kde) kdeartwork-4.2.4-1.fc10.x86_64 from kde has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: kdebase-workspace >= 4.2.4 is needed by package kdeartwork-4.2.4-1.fc10.x86_64 (kde) Error: Missing Dependency: kdebase-workspace >= 4.2.4 is needed by package kdeartwork-4.2.4-1.fc10.x86_64 (kde) Error: Missing Dependency: kdebase-workspace >= 4.2.4 is needed by package kdeartwork-kxs-4.2.4-1.fc10.x86_64 (kde) You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: package-cleanup --problems package-cleanup --dupes rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest

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Dealing with fc10 packages in F11
by Anne Wilson 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

After the update I'm left with a number of fc10 packages. I can't find any way of getting them upgraded to fc11 packages. I tried to install libiodbc, to deal with the problems with akonadi and strigi, but that said that v. 3.52.6-4.fc10 would be installed from updates - after which it said that it couldn't be found. What do I need to do to sort this out? Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase

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KDE-SIG weekly report (26/2009)
by Jaroslav Reznik 24 Jun '09

24 Jun '09

This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Weekly KDE Summary = Week: 26/2009 Time: 2009-06-23 16:00 UTC Meeting page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-06-23 Meeting minutes: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora- meeting.2009-06-23-16.04.html Full log: http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/fedora-meeting/2009/fedora- meeting.2009-06-23-16.04.log.html Full log ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Participants = * Jaroslav Reznik * Kevin Kofler * Lukas Tinkl * Rex Dieter * Steven Parrish * Than Ngo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Agenda = topics to discuss: * RPM Macros [1] for packaging * critical path packages [2] - does it affect us? should it? how? * any issues to bring up in the FESCo meeting? * sharing brand with upstream * Fedora 12 KDE 4.3 feature page = Summary = Kevin_Kofler elected to FESCo, any issues to bring up in the FESCo meeting? * congratulations Kevin! * next FESCo meeting is on Friday, if you have any issues to bring up in the FESCo meeting, contact Kevin RPM Macros for packaging * MathStuf to take it to mailing list for further discussion * we should have macros for the common directories, any advantage to have macros for all stuff? * it can help cleanup SPEC files * do we need all KDE 3 macros? critical path packages - does it affect us? should it? how? * do we want to be on the list of critical packages? o if yes - which packages should be on the list? o if not - are we going to be treated as second citizens? * rdieter is releng -> signoff group, so he could be our insider to check critical updates affecting KDEs * we don't have QA o SMParrish is triager o we need QA volunteer o we have to define QA process + we need testing plan + basic QA is "try to use the desktop and report any breakage you notice" + we need some targets like "does WPA in kde-plasma-nm work?" for a kde- plasma-nm update etc. o rdieter will prepare concept sharing brand with upstream * jreznik contacted pinheiro (upstream) for his idea * fedora design team feels more negative on this * we'd like to try, we need more communication between upstream and our design team * jreznik to continue as liason between fedora-art team and upsream kde art folks in "sharing branding" Fedora 12 KDE 4.3 feature page * helps the marketing/qa machine * what we should promote for F12 o ltinkl is working on Device Kit Solid Backend o jreznik is working on Policy Kit 1 * Kevin_Kofler pointed out concerns about Device Kit state Gran Canaria Desktop Summit [3] * jreznik is attending GCDS, if you have something for upstream, contact him Meeting bot * was it useful? ;-) = Tasks = 1. MathStuf to take macros proposal to mailing lists for further discussion 2. rdieter prepare concept for KDE QA 3. jreznik to continue as liason between fedora-art team and upsream kde art folks in "sharing branding" = Links = [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/PackagingCleanup#Macros [2] http://skvidal.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/critical-path-packages/ [3] http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Next Meeting = http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-06-30 -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/

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Congratulations to Kevin Kofler (Kevin_Kofler)
by Arthur Pemberton 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

May you rule with a mighty K -- Fedora 10 (www.pembo13.com)

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Packaging cleanup
by Ben Boeckel 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I would like to clean up KDE's spec files. In order to do this, I think that first there needs to be a better set of macros available for use in packaging so that common KDE directories are not typed out in spec files everywhere, increasing readability and decreasing chances for errors. The wiki page[1] has better formatting than I can do in ASCII with limited width for the current macro situation and candidate directories for new macros. These directories are used throughout KDE's (core) packaging already. - --Ben [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/PackagingCleanup#Macros -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkpBhBYACgkQiPi+MRHG3qQT7ACeItRcB/EoeeappqGyH+tnQuTN zTMAn3LJBxCtGPjGF/FLRFWNG/eRvuhb =OqYE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Minor dovecot/KMail problem
by Kevin Kofler 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

Gary Greene wrote: > I again reiterate: have you tested this on a vanilla installation of KDE? No. In fact I haven't personally tested this at all, the OP did. > Don't assume its an upstream bug until you have verified it by getting the > upstream sources and testing it. This demand makes no sense. Users don't have vanilla installations (they use the packages provided by their distribution) and are certainly not going to build KDE from source just to prove something which should be obvious to everybody except you (also considering the fact that it can be reproduced on more than one distribution). And packagers also have other things to do than building unpatched packages, also considering that it'd mean also building vanilla kdelibs etc. and also considering that sometimes the unpatched source doesn't even compile (e.g. because nobody tested it with the latest GCC which is used in Fedora) or is just broken in some other way. Plus, installing a properly-packaged vanilla KDE means replacing the distro one which is also something nobody wants to do. > As I said, most distributions patch KDE pretty heavily with vendor and > community patches, some of which change behaviours (both defaults and > code) from the expected ones from the upstream. I know what distribution packagers do, I *am* a Fedora KDE packager. And we ask users to report their bugs upstream unless there is evidence that they're specific to Fedora. The vast majority of bugs which are reported to us are NOT specific to Fedora, they're upstream bugs. Also note that we don't even have that many patches, we try to stay as close to upstream as possible. And as Fedora and Debian use DIFFERENT patches, trying to blame issues on patches when they can be reproduced in both distros is complete nonsense. Please stop the bullshit, this is an upstream bug and needs to be reported and fixed upstream! In distro-specific bug trackers, it'll just bitrot, or you'll be asked to report it upstream if there's active triaging going on (which is what happens in Fedora, our triager or one of us packagers will ask the user to file the bug upstream). Kevin Kofler (a Fedora KDE comaintainer)

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Anyone knows what's going on with KDE bug 188153?
by Arthur Pemberton 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=188153 For all of KDE4 I've been unable to use KDE to edit files on an FTP server via the KIO slave, and there has been little information on this regression. -- Fedora 10 (www.pembo13.com)

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dellsysidplugin2?
by Anne Wilson 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

Should this be on my Acer Aspire One? Is it what it sounds like? Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase

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Re: Minor dovecot/KMail problem
by Kevin Kofler 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

Gary Greene wrote: > Debian patches the hell out of KDE, and so do most other distros, this bug > should not be called a "KDE" bug unless you've completely verified with > vanilla source and have fully analyzed the code paths to assure that it > isn't a distribution patch that screwed the pooch. Huh? This bug has been seen on at least 2 different distributions (Debian and Fedora). There's no evidence at all of this being caused by a distribution patch, so until/unless evidence to the contrary is provided, this has to be assumed to be an upstream bug. Kevin Kofler

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Re: Minor dovecot/KMail problem
by Rex Dieter 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

Timothy Murphy wrote: > Rex Dieter wrote: >>>> But I have worked out that the cause of the problem >>>> is that there exists a kind of ghost folder, "uidvalidity", >>>> which is listed among the folders on the kmail page >>>> but does not in fact seem to exist in my maildir on the server. >>>> >>>> Deleting the folder under kmail has no permanent effect; >>>> it simply re-appears when I re-start kmail. >>>> >>>> I assume the folder is listed in some way in the dovecot.index ; >>>> and my question really is: if I delete this index file >>>> will it be re-created automatically? >>>> >>>> This bug/feature seems to have been present for years, >>>> which I suppose is par for KDE. >> >> Years? Bugs filed? If so, where? > > At random, here is one from 2006: > <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364953> *cough* upstream kde? *cough* :) -- Rex

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Re: Minor dovecot/KMail problem
by Rex Dieter 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

Gary Greene wrote: > On 6/20/09 5:43 AM, "Timothy Murphy" >> But I have worked out that the cause of the problem >> is that there exists a kind of ghost folder, "uidvalidity", >> which is listed among the folders on the kmail page >> but does not in fact seem to exist in my maildir on the server. >> >> Deleting the folder under kmail has no permanent effect; >> it simply re-appears when I re-start kmail. >> >> I assume the folder is listed in some way in the dovecot.index ; >> and my question really is: if I delete this index file >> will it be re-created automatically? >> >> This bug/feature seems to have been present for years, >> which I suppose is par for KDE. Years? Bugs filed? If so, where? Could very well simply be a bug in dovecot and/or incompatibility between dovecot/kmail. -- Rex

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Weather forecast plasmoid
by Mary Ellen Foster 23 Jun '09

23 Jun '09

I've recently been noticing that the weather-forecast plasmoid -- which was in kde-plasma-weather and is now (4.2.90) in kde-plasma-addons -- always says that the current temperature is 16C. This is often close to accurate in June in Scotland, so I never really paid attention, but it really does seem never to change. Where should I bugzilla this -- at redhat or kde? If at kde, against what package? Is this plasmoid actually tracked at bugs.kde.org at all, or does it come from elsewhere? I'd also be interested to know if anyone else is using the weather plasmoid and if the current temperature ever changes for you. :) MEF -- Mary Ellen Foster -- http://homepages.inf.ed.ac.uk/mef/ ICCS, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336.

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kde-4.2.90 and nepomuk, good, bad,ugly?
by Rex Dieter 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

Just threw virtuoso-opensource into kde-redhat/unstable repos. If you've got kde-4.2.90 installed, and don't mind testing out nepomuk, install virtuoso-opensource , and report back. good? bad? ugly? -- Rex

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kdeartwork-wallpapers-4.2.90-1.fc10.noarch slipped in kde repository?
by Christos Lazaridis 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

Shouldn't it be in kde-unstable along with its KDE 4.3 beta 2 friends? cheers, Christos.

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Re: Sharing brand with upstream [Was: Building Brand Together]
by Kevin Kofler 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

Máirín Duffy wrote: > The design team has enough time pressures on it wrt to theme as is. This > puts an additional, difficult burden on us to get the theme out even > sooner. You need to do that anyway. The systematic late tagging of the entire artwork which happened the last few releases is not acceptable. It also puts a lot of pressure on us KDE maintainers because we get to come up with KDE implementations of your theme concept in a very short timeframe because we don't even have any artwork to work with at the point where the artwork is supposed to be final (final devel freeze). A few of us (primarily jreznik and me) are willing to work on KDE artwork, but we're no artists, we're developers, we really need actual artists coming up with concepts in time for us to actually do the implementation work. I'm sorry, but the design team will have to work with the same freezes as all the other teams, the current situation is not tenable. This issue has been the subject of a lot of frustration on our (KDE SIG) side. So, while I'm not convinced this idea of working with KDE upstream on artwork is going to really work out (count me as one of the remaining scepticists), the scheduling issue remains there in any case. > If the Fedora KDE spin would like to branch off and take its own > approach to the artwork and not use the design team's artwork, then that > is a different conversation. Of course there's also the possible option to work ONLY with upstream KDE's designers and ignoring Fedora's theme entirely. However, this will not lead to a consistent Fedora experience. :-( And at that point I guess we could just ship upstream's original artwork and not ask for their help at all. The idea of upstream's plan is to design something which is a blend of upstream and downstream design elements. How well that'll work out is something we have yet to see (and that's one of the reasons for my scepticism). > Besides this, there are some fundamental issues with the proposal: > > - Are these themes going to match oxygen AND tango? These themes will be for KDE only (Plasma wallpaper, KSplash, KDM, possibly also a Plasma theme, the main focus from upstream right now in this trial phase is on wallpapers, which would be used both on the Plasma desktop and as part of the KSplash and KDM themes), there are no plans for KDE to use Tango and I think upstream would not be happy if we change the default KDE icon theme away from Oxygen. The whole reason they're doing this artwork plan is that they're unhappy about distros changing too much of the artwork (they even complain about distros changing the menu button from the KDE logo to their logo as we're doing, if we change the whole icon theme, they'll most likely just stop working with us entirely). > - How is the production of these themes going to line up with X distro's > release cycles? Who gets to be the one with the stale theme? The themes will be designed for each distro. That said, the theme will certainly be stale in that it will be based on e.g. KDE 4.3 artwork for F12, but F12 updates will most likely have KDE 4.4 and 4.5. (They certainly won't be willing to work on 3 themes for every Fedora resp. KDE release to cover all the combinations.) The idea is to blend the latest upstream KDE artwork with the artwork for the upcoming distro release. > - How do you produce a set of artwork that doesn't clash with X distro's > individual branding styles?? I have no idea how upstream plans to do that. That's why I'm sceptical. ;-) > - What kind of SLA does the KDE artist team assure us with this service? Most likely none, they're just volunteers just like you. > - How much say does the Fedora design team get in the wallpaper design? That's also something which remains to be seen, though it certainly also depends on how willing you are to talk with the upstream designers about things. If you just send us your designs and we forward them to upstream with no direct communication between the artwork designers, then of course upstream will do whatever they want with your design. ;-) But I don't know how much influence you can have on the design if you're willing to discuss things with upstream. The idea is new, so there are no returns yet. Kevin Kofler

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KDE-SIG weekly report (25/2009)
by Jaroslav Reznik 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Weekly KDE Summary = Week: 25/2009 Time: 2009-06-16 16:00 UTC Meeting page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-06-16 Meeting log: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/c4/KDE-SIG-2009-06-16.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Participants = * Ben Boeckel * JaroslavReznik * KevinKofler * LukasTinkl * RexDieter * StevenParrish * ThanNgo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Agenda = topics to discuss: * kde-4.2.90 status o kdebindings-4.2.90 build failures for < f12 * OO.o KDE 4 integration [1] recent bugs: * Selinux/knotify issues [2] [3] = Summary = kde-4.2.90 status * kdebindings-4.2.90 build failures for < f12 o builds OK with new PyQt4 o so we need patch for old PyQt4 + rdieter already did it in 4.2.90-2 OO.o KDE 4 integration * there is KDE 4 support for OO.o now * we don't want to ship on Live CD but we want it (even after KO 2 are out) * we have to check current state o full integration would be NWF (native widget framework), dialogs and URL handlers? * dtardon (OO.o co-maintainer) will to help us o jreznik is in contact with dtardon and take care about OO.o KDE 4 integration o we need maintainer as OO.o guys are not interested in o KDE 4 integration support will be packaged separately * gvfs is not problem for us (depends only on glib2), but native kio support would be better == Recent bugs == Selinux/knotify issues * probably 2 instances of the same bug * Fedora or RPM Fusion packages bug? * SELinux never tells us which shared object is actually at fault o we have to contact dwalsh for help + already CC on bugs + Kevin_Kofler will ping him = Links = [1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2009-June/000036.html [2] http://bugzilla.redhat.com/506126 [3] http://bugzilla.redhat.com/506122 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Next Meeting = http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-06-23 -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/

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4.2.85 being deleted
by Ben Boeckel 21 Jun '09

21 Jun '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am deleting KDE 4.2.85 from my repo as 4.2.90 has been out long enough that there's probably no one left that's on the bleeding edge of last month. ;) - --Ben -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAko8HKkACgkQiPi+MRHG3qQxwQCcCYkf6SrFGMAUuih8wAnRkIxl muUAn1FFAz4Fytj3nls3oC5+OEl0uxUJ =uANt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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skype broken without qt-devel ?
by Chitlesh GOORAH 21 Jun '09

21 Jun '09

Hai there, I had the following error while launching skype on F-11, just after I removed qt-devel skype: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I had to install qt-devel to get skype working again. This is weird since, [root@goorah ~]# rpm -qf /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4 qt-4.5.1-13.fc11.i586 Chitlesh

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4.3 Tray autohide
by Ahmed Kamal 20 Jun '09

20 Jun '09

Hi, Not sure if I'm not understanding this correctly, but that nice little left/right arrow next to the system tray, that is supposed to help hide unused icons. Well, it didn't seem to do anything automatically. And even clicking it, didnt seem to do anything except change the arrow direction! Now, going into the configuration, and unselecting some icons, then clicking ok, did hide them. But is the default behaviour really unintuitive, or am I missing something ? KDE-4.3 absolutely rox ;) Regards

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On the Plus Side
by Eli Wapniarski 19 Jun '09

19 Jun '09

Hiyall After about a week of using 4.2.90. I should balance my rants with what I find positive. The folder view for the desktop is finally and wonderfully functional. I can lay down plasmoids on top of it. There is a functional context menu (run command included). Moving over folders drills down folders. Context menu of files has the copy to and move to and open with and just about everything else that seems normal for kde in it. Finally, My Desktop is a desktop again. Well done!!! :) Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Sharing brand with upstream [Was: [Design-team] Building Brand Together]
by Jaroslav Reznik 18 Jun '09

18 Jun '09

Hi all! I talked to KDE artwork guys (mostly Pinheiro as he's responsible for it) and as result I think we (KDE SIG at least) should join this effort! Sounds great for me. So what is it NOT about? It's not about stealing Fedora identity and it's not about shipping default upstream wallpapers, logos etc. So what is it about? It's about cooperation and marketing both brands together so everyone can distinguish between Fedora and KDE (Gnome, other DE, OS etc...) but with strong visual feeling - I'm using KDE/Gnome/... on Fedora. Actual proposal from them sounds like: We have selected our codename for future Fedora release and our design team prepare artwork (or mockups, depends on time), upstream joins this effort and they combine our theme with their current theme (so now it's Leonidas and Air = Airy Leonidas :D) to match together. What does it mean for us? Visually consistent and rich desktop environments with strong brand feeling for both upstream and downstream. What we have to/should do? We need our artwork as soon as possible and after F11 process I think we should reconsider design strategy. I know where the problem was, from Mairín's comments in my blog post. We should do our best to avoid it for future releases. Of course - it means lot of communication and you know... Only for KDE and Fedora? No, OpenSuse, (K)Ubuntu already accepted this offer, I'm not sure if Gnome is planning anything similar. This is really in beginnings and maybe some IRC meeting with all interested parties would be useful. I think it's a nice idea, sounds great (even I'm not Apple fan :D) and it can be considered by other DE's teams (upstream/downstream) either. All sides could gain profit from it. So what do you think about it? Jaroslav On Saturday 06 June 2009 06:50:39 Ujjwol Lamichhane wrote: > As a Fedora KDE user i am forwarding this link to Fedora Artwork Team and > KDE Fedora.... -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/

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FESCo Elections: Vote for KDE SIG - vote for me!
by Kevin Kofler 17 Jun '09

17 Jun '09

Hi, first of all, my apologies to the fellow EU citizens who must be sick and tired of electoral campaigning by now. ;-) Do you want the KDE SIG to be represented in FESCo? Do you want KDE to get treated as a first-class citizen in Fedora? Do you want to stop the misleading abuse of the word "desktop" to mean "GNOME"? Are you fed up of proposed censorship of things like country flags which destroys our right to free speech and hurts KDE? Or maybe you are unhappy with the current FESCo and want to give a chance to a new face? If so, vote for "Kevin Kofler (Kevin_Kofler)" at the FESCo elections, starting tonight at midnight UTC. My answers to the election questionnaire can be found here: http://fpaste.org/paste/14139 A reminder: to vote for a candidate, you must give that candidate a HIGH score. In other words, if you want me to get elected, make sure you give me a score of 11 (which will be the highest possible score, given that there are 11 candidates). You are not required to rank all the candidates, you can give any arbitrary scores. (Giving 0 points to all the other candidates maximizes the chances of your favorite candidate getting elected.) See the official Fedora Election Guide at http://nigelj.fedorapeople.org/feg/ for more information. To be eligible for voting for FESCo, you must: * be registered in FAS, * have completed your CLA and * be a member of at least one other (non-CLA) FAS group (e.g. any of: packager, ambassadors, docs, art etc.). Your friendly FESCo candidate, Kevin Kofler

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kprinter
by Neal Becker 17 Jun '09

17 Jun '09

Is there a replacement for kprinter (cli to open dialog and print stdin)? I need it for cxoffice.

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Error: Missing Dependency: PyKDE4 >= 4.2.90 is needed by package kdebase-workspace-python-applet-4.2.90-1.fc10.x86_64 (kde-unstable)
by Clive Messer 17 Jun '09

17 Jun '09

Error: Missing Dependency: PyKDE4 >= 4.2.90 is needed by package kdebase- workspace-python-applet-4.2.90-1.fc10.x86_64 (kde-unstable) Regards Clive -- Clive Messer <clive(a)vacuumtube.org.uk>

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Has Anybody Seen Bug Fixes for Anything?
by Eli Wapniarski 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Hi All Just installed the Beta from unstable. Seriously... has anybody actually seen bug fixes? Or are the KDE developers simply adding features that add more bugs? Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Confusing error messages
by Anne Wilson 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

Can someone please decode these messages? k3b-extras-freeworld-1.0.5-4.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: libk3bdevice.so.5 is needed by package k3b-extras- freeworld-1.0.5-4.fc10.i386 (installed) k3b-extras-freeworld-1.0.5-4.fc10.i386 from installed has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: libk3b.so.3 is needed by package k3b-extras- freeworld-1.0.5-4.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libk3bdevice.so.5 is needed by package k3b-extras- freeworld-1.0.5-4.fc10.i386 (installed) Error: Missing Dependency: libk3b.so.3 is needed by package k3b-extras- freeworld-1.0.5-4.fc10.i386 (installed) You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: package-cleanup --problems package-cleanup --dupes rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest How can they be missing and installed at the same time? I used skip-broken yesterday to get around the problem. Today I ran the other three commands - nothing was reported. Still I get the same messages. What exactly is wrong? Anne

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Kbluetooth4 (or kdebluetooth4)
by Timothy Murphy 16 Jun '09

16 Jun '09

How exactly is one meant to use this? When I run it, I get a bluetooth icon in my panel, but I have no idea what one is meant to do with this. The application appears to be completely devoid of all documentation. There appears to be no way to set a passkey in BlueZ if one is using KDE. I assume kbluetooth4 is meant to address this issue. What a mess. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel: +353-86-2336090, +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin

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a few pending F-11 updates => kde-redhat/testing
by Rex Dieter 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

updates withdrawl was getting to me... I needed a fix... bad... So, I sharfed some pending updates for F-11, including, kde-4.2.4 amarok-2.1.1 kpackagekit-0.4.1.1 enjoy. As these are pending ones, feedback encouraged. -- Rex

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notifications stop working
by Neal Becker 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

This is on stock F11 kdebase-4.2.3-1.fc11.x86_64 After a while, notifications stop working. When kmail receives mail, for example, I hear the sound notification, and the icon for notification shows in the tray, but the actual message plasma is not displayed. .xession-errors says: QCoreApplication::postEvent: Unexpected null receiver

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Does Fedora KDE care about upstream RFEs?
by Arthur Pemberton 15 Jun '09

15 Jun '09

I may have asked this in the chatrooms already, but I've forgotten the answer. -- Fedora 10 (www.pembo13.com)

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Is Bugzilla bugged?
by Claude Jones 13 Jun '09

13 Jun '09

It's probably just me, but, I have gone round and round this morning trying to find a way to enter a new bug. I have always found bugzilla quirky, but this AM it's got me. It presents me with page after page of not fully explained ways to search existing bugs, but I can't seem to ever arrive at the page where you can enter a new bug...am I just going senile? If anyone is interested, the issue I'm having is that systemsettings' login manager under the advanced tab used to prompt me for the root password before allowing changes. It's not doing that now and all I get is grayed-out options. I can get around it by running systemsettings from a root prompt, but, I'm assuming that's not a new 'feature'... I can understand the system wanting to make you search diligently for existing bugs one can add their voice to, or find a resolution to their issue in, but, it seems to have become much harder to finally arrive at new bug reporting page... Problem: Open System Settings Click on Advanced tab Click on Login Manager all settings are grayed out for me - there seems to be no method offered, or prompted, to change to root Running F11 with all latest updates; Fedora + updates + updates-testing and all KDE-Redhat repos are enabled - did a big KDE update just last night. -- Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA

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kde-4.2.90 (partial) to kde-redhat/unstable
by Rex Dieter 12 Jun '09

12 Jun '09

Well, I'm going to push what I have so far to kde-redhat/unstable, it's not yet complete, but we'll continue to work on that over time. Biggest hurdle at the moment is kdebindings failing to build due to some wierd linker error. Oddly enough, it built fine for rawhide, but not for F-11. ?? -- Rex

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