March 2010 - kde - Fedora mailing-lists

Can someone package simon?
by Kyle 11 Mar '10

11 Mar '10

Hello, Can we get this KDE application, Simon <http://sourceforge.net/projects/speech2text/>, supported on Fedora? Links: http://simon-listens.org/index.php?id=122&L=1 http://sourceforge.net/projects/speech2text/ http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/simon+%28Speech+Interaction+Daemon%29?… Thanks, Kyle

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konq as kfm new annoyances
by Gene Smith 11 Mar '10

11 Mar '10

I still use konq as my kde file manager instead of dolphin mainly for 2 reasons: 1. Can split screen top and bottom (not just left and right) 2. Has bookmarks Anyhow, what I have noticed now with 4.4 is two new annoyances. 1. When anything pops up in konq (as file mgr) instead of a nice small dialog it comes up the exact same size of the konq. window and covers it. For example, when you are copying a file and the name exists at the destination. 2. When you rename a file (F2 or right click rename) konq. scoots the original file name to the left and out of sight while you are typing until you hit enter. (Actually, I just checked and dolphin does this too. I assume konq and dolphin share a lot of code.) I assume these are kde bugs (or issues) and not something fedora12 is causing, but not sure. -gene

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Problem with upgrade on x86_64 based system
by Eli Wapniarski 10 Mar '10

10 Mar '10

I'm getting the following on a yum update. I can assure you as far I know there isn't a relevant i686 package on my system Eli ---> Package knetworkmanager.i686 1:0.9-0.15.20100309.fc12 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: libkdeui.so.5 for package: 1:knetworkmanager-0.9-0.15.20100309.fc12.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libkdecore.so.5 for package: 1:knetworkmanager-0.9-0.15.20100309.fc12.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libsolidcontrol.so.4 for package: 1:knetworkmanager-0.9-0.15.20100309.fc12.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libsolid.so.4 for package: 1:knetworkmanager-0.9-0.15.20100309.fc12.i686 ---> Package knetworkmanager-libs.i686 1:0.9-0.15.20100309.fc12 set to be updated --> Running transaction check ---> Package kdebase-workspace-libs.i686 0:4.4.0-8.fc12 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: kdebase-workspace = 4.4.0-8.fc12 for package: kdebase-workspace-libs-4.4.0-8.fc12.i686 ---> Package kdelibs.i686 6:4.4.0-9.fc12 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: soprano(x86-32) >= 2.4.0.1 for package: 6:kdelibs-4.4.0-9.fc12.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libsoprano.so.4 for package: 6:kdelibs-4.4.0-9.fc12.i686 --> Processing Dependency: libsopranoclient.so.1 for package: 6:kdelibs-4.4.0-9.fc12.i686 --> Running transaction check ---> Package kdebase-workspace-libs.i686 0:4.4.0-8.fc12 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: kdebase-workspace = 4.4.0-8.fc12 for package: kdebase-workspace-libs-4.4.0-8.fc12.i686 ---> Package soprano.i686 0:2.4.0.1-1.fc12 set to be updated --> Finished Dependency Resolution kdebase-workspace-libs-4.4.0-8.fc12.i686 from updates has depsolving problems --> Missing Dependency: kdebase-workspace = 4.4.0-8.fc12 is needed by package kdebase-workspace-libs-4.4.0-8.fc12.i686 (updates) Error: Missing Dependency: kdebase-workspace = 4.4.0-8.fc12 is needed by package kdebase-workspace-libs-4.4.0-8.fc12.i686 (updates) You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: package-cleanup --problems package-cleanup --dupes rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Re: RFC: kde stability proposal (redux)
by Eli Wapniarski 10 Mar '10

10 Mar '10

Just tested the URL in Firefox and Chrome without issue. Eli Quoting rgheck <rgheck(a)bobjweil.com>: > On 03/10/2010 09:09 AM, Eli Wapniarski wrote: >> Quoting José Matos<jamatos(a)fc.up.pt>: >> >> >>> On Wednesday 10 March 2010 05:24:05 Eli Wapniarski wrote: >>> >>>> And its usually up to everyone else to do what needs to be done to get >>>> their browser to work otherwise people can't use it, even if they want >>>> to. Konqueror is capable of using webkit as its main rendering engine. >>>> Chrome uses webkit. Chrome works, KDE based aps don't. Hell their are >>>> times when I've tried to access pages on KDE's site and have seen >>>> Konqueror crash. >>>> >>> FWIW one of the reasons given for chrome to use a separate process for each >>> tab was that if flash crashes then the browser will not be taken with. >>> >>> So the idea that flash crashes in other browsers other than >>> konqueror is not a >>> new one. :-) >>> >>> >> Perhaps not, but it still doesn't take anything away from the fact >> that under Chrome / Webkit the browser does not crash when I try to >> view flash videos in CNN and other sites; under Konqueror / Webkit it >> does. They're both Webkit. So..... huh ?????? >> >> > FWIW, this site: > http://homepage.mac.com/fmscable/Menu6.html > crashes Firefox but not Konqueror. > > rh > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Nepomuk resources usage limit
by Dj YB 10 Mar '10

10 Mar '10

hello, is there a way to limit Nepomuk resources (cpu / memory) usage, and even better that it will only work while the session is idle for some time... I will be glad to have this kind of setting, thanks, YB.

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Thanks for the updates
by Arthur Pemberton 10 Mar '10

10 Mar '10

1) just tab-grouped my first pair of windows, sweet. 2) copy and paste seems to work in Eclipse now, not sure what happened but I'm hoping it stays so (it previously had an unfavourable reaction with Klipper) -- Fedora 11 (www.pembo13.com)

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KDE 4.4.1 in Updates-Testing?
by Mitchell Richters 09 Mar '10

09 Mar '10

Hello, I was just wondering when 4.4.1 might hit Updates-Testing. 4.4.0, a major release, did not take this long to hit testing (I think). I looked on Koji and there's only one build of kdelibs and kdenetwork for FC12, surely that must they're stable enough for distribution? I haven't seen any emails through on the list with anyone mentioning showstoppers... Cheers, Mitch.

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RFC: Minimum requirements for default applications
by Rex Dieter 09 Mar '10

09 Mar '10

Here's a very basic proposal that came out of discussions that happened primarily leading up to and at FUDCon Toronto. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rdieter/FUDCon_Toronto_KDE_F13_TODOs I'll have to clean that page up, and move it to the /KDE namespace, but the basic idea is that we should set some basic criteria to help choose default applications for our fedora kde spin. Based on this objective criteria, it will help us make wiser (and defendable!) choices. I should point out that at our last SIG meeting, it was agreed that criteria should be separated between 'minimal/required' and 'nice-to-have' ones. This, I haven't done yet (sorry). Anyway, the type of feedback we're looking for here is brainstorm: 1. different types of default apps (ie, those not listed yet). 2. new/different selection criteria. for example, it should probably be explicitly mentioned that we would give a slight preference for native qt/kde applications. 3. criticism of criteria already listed. Thanks. -- Rex

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Re: KDE-SIG meeting report (10/2010)
by Kevin Kofler 09 Mar '10

09 Mar '10

Matthew Garrett wrote: > Contrary to the assertion in the meeting, udisks has not removed polling > support. Sorry, but that's the impression we got from this mail: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/devkit-devel/2010-January/000691.html And wasn't saving power by not doing polling one of the reasons you want to do away with HAL in the first place? But it may be just us being confused, so please enlighten us! Kevin Kofler

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Dolphin tabs
by Petrus de Calguarium 09 Mar '10

09 Mar '10

I have 3 hard drives and like to keep one tab for each drive open. Whenever I start Dolphin, however, it opens with only one tab, even though I closed it with 3 tabs open. Is there a way to make Dolphin remember that it was closed with 3 tabs and to reopen each tab to the default location for each (likely the root of each of my hard drives)?

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KDE-SIG meeting report (10/2010)
by Jaroslav Reznik 09 Mar '10

09 Mar '10

This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Weekly KDE Summary = Week: 10/2010 Time: 2010-03-09 14:00 UTC Meeting page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2010-03-09 Meeting minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-09/kde- sig.2010-03-09-13.59.html Meeting log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-03-09/kde- sig.2010-03-09-13.59.log.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Participants = * JaroslavReznik * KevinKofler * LukasTinkl * RexDieter * StevenParrish * ThanNgo * ThomasJanssen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Agenda = * topics to discuss: o kde-4.4.1 update status o roadmap/timeline to removing hal dependencies from kde? In particular, mjg59 is suggesting removing storage support in hal to save huge amounts of power... o default cursor theme [1] = Summary = kde-4.4.1 status * we will push 4.4.1 stable soon for f13, f11/f12 decision postponed until next meeting * we will queue kde-settings update to enable nepomuk for stable (fast track) roadmap/timeline to removing hal dependencies from kde? * udisk is not suitable replacement for hal * upstream is working on new solid for 4.5/4.6 * ltinkl to document a list of udisk missing features, that block our removal of hal dependencies from kde/solid * someone should join hal people to watch changes, that could affect KDE packages default cursor theme * we agreed on change cursor theme to dmz as Gnome did * should be set directly in kde-settings ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Next Meeting = http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2010-03-16 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Links = [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571039 [2] http://jimmac.musichall.cz/themes.php?skin=7 -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/

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Removing sleep and hibernate buttons from kickoff
by Roderick Johnstone 09 Mar '10

09 Mar '10

Hi I'd like to remove the sleep and hibernate buttons from the kickoff Leave screen to prevent systems being shut down inadvertently by clicking on the wrong item. I tried the recommendation here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/disable-suspendslee… about changing /usr/bin/pm-is-supported but that doesnt seem to remove the buttons for kde 4.4.0 Anyone know how I can remove those sleep/hibernate buttons. Thanks Roderick

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Network Management - probably pebcak needs sorting
by Anne Wilson 09 Mar '10

09 Mar '10

It seems I have knetworkmanager and NetworkManager* installed, which may well be why I have problems. In the systemtray I have an icon that looks like an unplugged RJ45 cable, which tells me that the network is not available. Nonsense, of course. Left or Right-click on it tells me that network management is disabled. NetworkManager-gnome never seemed to work on this laptop, so I'd like to try knetworkmanager. Can you give me some hints with regard to sorting this out? Thanks Anne -- KDE Community Working Group New to KDE Software? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org

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unlock screen dialog box empty
by Dj YB 08 Mar '10

08 Mar '10

hello, after the update to 4.4 the unlock screen dialog box is empty, does anyone else have this problem? if you need more info please tell me what and I'll post it here. thanks, YB.

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4.4.1 creating huge log
by Neal Becker 08 Mar '10

08 Mar '10

After running for just a couple of hours, .xsession-errors is 12MB. There's lots of different stuff in it, but especially chatty is: kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap imapParser::namespaceForBox: imapParse::namespaceForBox "pedalers" kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::parseURL: IMAP4::parseURL - namespace= "" kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::parseURL: IMAP4::parseURL - delimiter= "/" kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::parseURL: IMAP4::parseURL - box= "pedalers" kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::parseURL: IMAP4::parseURL - return 3 kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::listDir: IMAP4Protocol::listDir - listStr= "pedalers/%" kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::listDir: IMAP4Protocol::listDir - got 0 kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::listDir: IMAP4Protocol::listDir - Finishing listDir kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::dispatch: IMAP4::dispatch - command= 80 kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::dispatch: IMAP4::dispatch - command= 67 kio_imap4(2825)/kio_imap IMAP4Protocol::get: IMAP4::get - "imaps://ndbecker2%40gmail.com@imap.gmail.com:993/pedalers/;UID=1:*;SECTION=FLAGS RFC822.SIZE" Seems every kmail update is churning out rediculous amounts of debugging.

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Installing 4.4.1
by Eli Wapniarski 07 Mar '10

07 Mar '10

Hi Everyone 4 Machines. 4 successful installations Way to go. Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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deltarpms
by Christian Jann 07 Mar '10

07 Mar '10

Hello Why aren't there deltarpms in kde-unstable repo? With so many updates they could save a lot of bandwidth. -- I have an UMTS connection with a monthly bandwidth limit of 5GB on my Laptop.

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knetworkmanager & wireless
by Petrus de Calguarium 05 Mar '10

05 Mar '10

I have reinstalled to f13α_rciv. I am having no success at getting knetworkmanager to connect to a wireless network. Does anyone know how to get it to work, or should I file a report?

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Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right
by Matthew Woehlke 05 Mar '10

05 Mar '10

Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > As I had expected, breaking up the monolithic > packages into individual packages is a whole lot > of unnecessary work. Better to provide releases > as they occur, than to waste time unnecessarily > breaking down the monolithic packages. To what > end and benefit? Who, nowadays, doesn't have at > least one hard drive of at least 80-100GB, likely You have heard of netbooks, yes? SSD's? I have all of 4 GiB, and not all of that available for packages. IIRC I had to remove kcalc because I can't afford to install the entire printing stack. -- Matthew Please do not quote my e-mail address unobfuscated in message bodies. -- ...and since I'm asking for ponies already, how about a fancy harness to go with them? -- Duncan

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Network Manager Plasmoid crashing Plasma
by Anoop 05 Mar '10

05 Mar '10

Hi List, Whenever I am adding Network Manager Plasmoid, to panel, Plasma is crashing. Can someone point me how to make it work? Or is it a known issue with the Plasmoid? Thanks a lot, Anoop

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Thanks for the KDE SC 4.4 release
by Roderick Johnstone 05 Mar '10

05 Mar '10

Hi Our research group is now updated to the recent KDE SC 4.4 release through the Fedora 12 updates. Its working really well for us. I just wanted to say a big thank you to all the packagers, testers and bug fixers who brought this to Fedora. This community is awesome! Roderick

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More nepomuk/kmail problems and workarounds
by Anne Wilson 05 Mar '10

05 Mar '10

I'd hate to be the ones trying to track down these issues, because not everyone is affected with any of them, as far as I can see. Anyway, the latest updates broke my Kontact, so here's what I've gathered as work-arounds. Since the update, Kontact will not start, and it appears to be unrelated to mysql or nepomuk. First work-around - all the apps run as stand-alone apps, so it's possible to get by while the cause of this is being sought. KMail still suffers from delays and freezes when sending, the fix for which is promised in 4.4.1. It's possible to work around this as a temporary measure. Second workaround - close kontact or kmail and kaddressbook if you are running stand-alone apps. Disable strigi in systemsettings. Stop nepomuk, delete the database and restart nepomukserver. The actual commands you need are (as user) qdbus org.kde.NepomukServer /nepomukserver org.kde.NepomukServer.quit rm -r .kde/share/apps/nepomuk nepomukserver This will, of course, wipe out all the database, including any tags you've added. In theory, I understand that it's possible to do a more selective wipe of the database. If this matters to you you can find the instructions at http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Metadata/Nepomuk/TipsAndTrick… indexed_data Hope this helps some of you :-) Anne -- New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org Just found a cool new feature? Add it to UserBase

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RE: Have I missed fix for 4.4 login problem?
by Dwight Paige 05 Mar '10

05 Mar '10

Original post poorly written. Sorry for that. The problem is that AutoLoginDelay=10 doesn't work as of KDE 4.4. Problem also occurs in openSuSE 11.2 and Mandriva 2010.0 all are x86_64. AutoLogin immediately works but when I set 'AutoLoginDelay=10' in 'kdmrc' upon logging in login screen freezes and no user can login. When login screen is reached user MUST very quickly hit enter [even though AutoLoginEnable=true] OR login screen freezes and no user can login. Was wondering if anyone else was having this problem? Bug report filed upstream: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229475 -- Thanks, Dwight Paige If the only tool you have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.

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SWG Spins discussion and follow-up actions
by Matt Domsch 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

FYI, these were the notes from last Monday's Board Strategic Working Group meeting, where your responses to the Board's questions were noted and discussed. From this, there are several specific actions we would like to see taken: # the problems hampering Spins due to long GNOME dependency chain requirements has a ticket open for FESCo to discuss. https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345 # hosting space for Spins for direct http downloads will be made available by Infrastructure. Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR # being able to offer AutoQA individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project. This is highly dependent on Spins owners contributing to the QA methodologies and even direct test efforts - QA is already feeling overwhelmed, and we need to scale this process out across more volunteers. # banners on get.fp.o -> spins.fp.o https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16 People with web site building experience are asked to participate in the websites team to remove "waiting on someone who can" as a possible bottleneck. I thank you all for your valuable input and continuing contributions to Fedora. Thanks, Matt ----- Forwarded message from John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com> ----- Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:17:37 -0800 From: John Poelstra <poelstra(a)redhat.com> To: advisory-board(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Board SWG Meeting 2010-03-01 Recap User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100120 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.1 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-0… == Roll Call == * Attendees: John Poelstra, Paul Frields, Chris Tyler, Mike McGrath, Colin Walters, Matt Domsch * Notes from last meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-0… == Spins Work == * Background: ** Matt and Colin have been collecting feedback to questions asked ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_TargetAudience ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_ChangeDistribu… ** http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2010-February/000996.html ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mdomsch/SWG_Spins * Each spin producing group does believe they can and should define a target audience * John: would it help clarify our message to refer to the live gnome desktop as the ''default offering'' rather than referring to it as a spin? ** Paul: Spins were initially conceived as a range of things the community can produce that are alternatives to what we feel must be created, or add-ons that narrowly focus on special use cases * Matt: Rel-eng sits in the middle of the spin creation process right now -- a couple communication breakdowns have happened over time, sometimes spin producers didn't know their spin was being built ** Matt: semi-OT -- at some point need to reconsider the question of who builds the spins. Does it always have to be Release Engineering? ** Paul: more narrowly aimed spins (FEL, Games, ...) seem to nail their use cases quite well * Top of mind problem seems to be some dependency chains (system-config-keyboard), whether or not that is the most serious problem or not isn't clear * '''PAIN POINT IDENTIFIED''': Dependency chain requirements cause alternate desktop spins to still pull in a large portion of the GNOME stack. ** '''NEXT STEPS''': Mike will file ticket with FESCo requesting they look at dependency chain requirements. This could be a Fedora Engineering Services task. ** Colin willing to look at helping with dependency chain issues ** ''TICKET''': https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345 * '''NON PAIN POINT''': Spins SIG does feel that resolution processes have been working well when they're needed. * Resources: ** Infrastructure now has the ability to host additional content, including spins. This has been a long time incoming, and needs to be implemented and announced, but the capacity is there now. ** Ambassadors who want to pass out specific spins can make requests for monetary resources to CommArch, to be evaluated in the scope of media requests and budget. *** The Board is not taking a stance on what medias should be produced for any particular event. * Not sure what to do with feedback from survey work that showed that some people don't want the board to help or ask questions about how they can help === Next Steps & Positive Outcomes === # dependency chain requirements #* https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345 # hosting space for Spins #* Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure # (tentative) being able to offer AutoQA #* individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project. # banners on get.fp.o #* https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16 # Update wiki pages for information collected == Default Offering == * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Current_default_offering * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Different_default_offering * Give feedback to Paul by tomorrow, 2010-03-02 * Paul will send to Board for approval on 2010-03-02 == Topics and plan for next meeting == * John/Chris will take up topic of "What is a target audience?" * Meet next week, 2010-03-08 at 20:00 UTC (3:00pm EST/12:00pm PST) _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board ----- End forwarded message -----

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Re: Harmless KDE feature upgrades - yeah right
by Kevin Kofler 04 Mar '10

04 Mar '10

Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > I think it is unnecessary to provide the latest > releases for any releases except the current and > rawhide. If people don't bother to upgrade to the > current release, then they obviously don't care > to run a cutting edge system, so there is no > point in providing it at the expense of a whole > lot of work. It only takes an evening to download > a live cd, install it, and do some rudimentary > configurations. The rest can be achieved as one > actually uses the system, so there is no excuse > for not running the latest release. Considering > that a lot of the work is done by volunteers (or > are you, all you redhat/fedora people?), this is > a fabulous system all for free and not even money > can purchase anything better. [snip] > Definitely, old releases should receive only the > necessary bug fixes, not new features. This is a > terrible waste of manpower. It's actually almost no extra work to build the updates also for the previous stable release. We have to build them for the current stable anyway. It just means doing the usual routine (copying the specfile, committing and running make tag and make build BUILD_FLAGS=--nowait) twice instead of once (and even the commit can be done for both at once by committing in the parent directory), which takes only a few seconds extra, the builds run in parallel. Doing the updates for only one Fedora release would not be a significant saving of time or effort. Actually actively fixing bugs in the old, no longer supported by upstream branch would actually be MORE work. > To save man-hours, it might be better to scrap > kde-redhat and just stick to updates and updates- > testing. I would enable updates-testing (and > sometimes I even pull something off koji > manually), but many would stick to the safer > route of just enabling updates. kde-redhat is also very little work, usually just rebuilding stuff from Rawhide for the unstable repository, it's basically handled by 1 person (Rex Dieter) and it has been extremely helpful in helping to get prereleases tested and thus to prevent some disasters with the update to the actual release. Kevin Kofler

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