Re: F22 / KDE5
by Rex Dieter
Of course it's lame. lame is better than nothing.
Application developers have known (or should have known) for years now that classic xembed systray was deprecated and would be going away soon, and that they should support the newer status-notifier-based standards (or move away from systray icons altogether).
-- Rex
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From: kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> on behalf of Emilio Recio <Emilio.Recio(a)jefferson.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:43 AM
To: KDE on Fedora discussion
Subject: Re: F22 / KDE5
I tried that, and it is lame. (Personal opinion) All of my apps
(audacious, pidgin, davmail - java apps, etc.) just don't dock anymore,
8 years, 7 months
Fwd: Broken dependencies: lxqt-panel
by Raphael Groner
What crap is this? Please do not break ABI/API in Beta Freeze.
Our issue is already discussed in the bug¹ and there in much detail. We
got that error mail already yesterday and there was promise to fix it.
This contibutor makes me really sad.
¹ https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1119266
If this is the wrong list to complain, please tell me where I can do it
better.
R.
-------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
Betreff: Broken dependencies: lxqt-panel
Datum: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 10:10:04 +0000 (UTC)
Von: buildsys(a)fedoraproject.org
An: lxqt-panel-owner(a)fedoraproject.org
Kopie (CC): libstatgrab-owner(a)fedoraproject.org
lxqt-panel has broken dependencies in the rawhide tree:
On x86_64:
lxqt-panel-0.9.0-7.fc23.x86_64 requires libstatgrab.so.6()(64bit)
On i386:
lxqt-panel-0.9.0-7.fc23.i686 requires libstatgrab.so.6
On armhfp:
lxqt-panel-0.9.0-7.fc23.armv7hl requires libstatgrab.so.6
Please resolve this as soon as possible.
8 years, 7 months
KDE5: kate and toolbars
by Reindl Harald
two different toolbars while from the users point of view it's just one
with different items to select
in one you can place "save" while in the other "save all" and positions
of save can't be changed while positions of other items get the way you
configure it
seriously?
8 years, 7 months
Date/Time Sunday/Monday Question
by Emilio Recio
So I am set to US locale, but my "Digital Clock" settings have my week
starting on Monday, instead of Sunday. Is there a way to change the
date/time such that my calendar week starts on Sunday?
-e
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8 years, 7 months
Re: F22 / KDE5
by Rex Dieter
Warning: your posts will now be moderated, since you've now thrown personal insults after being warned.
It's ok to criticize ideas, but not people.
-- Rex
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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:49 PM
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Subject: Re: F22 / KDE5
i have no other word than idiots for such upstream attitudes
8 years, 7 months
Re: kate: X11 Forwarding on F22
by Rex Dieter
kate (in f22) doesn't depend on kde-runtime or kdelibs
that list is ... inaccurate.
-- Rex
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Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 10:57 AM
To: kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: kate: X11 Forwarding on F22
...
> solved by just replace "kate" with "code-editor" and get rid of massive
> dependencies questionable for a texteditor in general
well, below the dependencies on F22 obsoleted by replace "kate" with
"code-editor" on a more or less minimal install previously removed all
unneeded deps
what i did was just look for a GUI editor working with X11-Forwarding on
my testserver upgraded to Fedora 22 and did the same afterwards on the
company buildserver still running F21 for now to avoid needless updates
when i start the dist-upgrade later
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8 years, 7 months
Re: F22 / KDE5
by Rex Dieter
For anything not yet supporting status notifiers, you can use something like wmsystemtray (I do).
-- Rex
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From: kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <kde-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> on behalf of Reindl Harald <h.reindl(a)thelounge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 9:18 AM
To: kde(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: F22 / KDE5
Am 15.09.2015 um 15:51 schrieb Emilio Recio:
> Sorry, I agree with all that, but have to add the missing system tray!
systray was part of my initial posting
* it don't work for applications which where used
with Exec=ksystraycmd while the UI still offers
it and does nothing else than add it to the command
* it don't work with "alltray", klick on Thundebird, Eclipse
or "rdesktop" and the windows disappears and never
comes back
* no idea if the developers only work with short tasks but
i know nobody which is closing his mailprogram and IDE
all day long to start it again while the space in the
windowbar is not endlessly
BTW:
i guess the 30 seconds waiting at login are caused by *repeatly* try to
start "upower" and "networkmanager" - both are not needed on a
workstation behind a UPS with static network configuration
"upower" in fact is masked because the machine of my co-developer a few
weeks ago startet to power of the monitor directly after login into KDE
and since "upower" is gone that don't happen - i know that this is a bug
somewhere but it's not worth to dig around remote in case of services
with no business in the current setup
Sep 15 16:08:38 rh.thelounge.net sddm-helper[7444]:
pam_unix(sddm:session): session opened for user harry by (uid=0)
Sep 15 16:08:39 rh.thelounge.net org.kde.kded5[7471]: Qt: Session
management error: networkIdsList argument is NULL
Sep 15 16:08:39 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:08:39 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:39 rh.thelounge.net polkitd[1194]: Registered
Authentication Agent for unix-session:132 (system bus name :1.397
[/usr/libexec/kf5/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1], object path
/org/kde/PolicyKit1/AuthenticationAgent, locale de_DE.UTF-8)
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.NetworkManager'
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service'
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service':
Unit NetworkManager.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.NetworkManager'
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service'
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service':
Unit NetworkManager.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:40 rh.thelounge.net org.a11y.Bus[7471]: GLib-GIO-Message:
Using the 'memory' GSettings backend. Your settings will not be saved
or shared with other applications.
Sep 15 16:08:41 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:08:41 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:41 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:08:41 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:08:41 rh.thelounge.net systemd-logind[844]: Removed session 131.
Sep 15 16:09:05 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:09:05 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
Sep 15 16:09:05 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activating via
systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.UPower' unit='upower.service'
Sep 15 16:09:05 rh.thelounge.net dbus[882]: [system] Activation via
systemd failed for unit 'upower.service': Unit upower.service is masked.
> On 09/14/15 18:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>> On Tue, 2015-09-15 at 00:19 +0300, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
>>> On Monday 14 September 2015 20:17:33 Reindl Harald wrote:
>>>> so, upgraded to F22
>>>>
>>>> honestly, before these fools of kde-developers start to think about
>>>> KDE6
>>>> they better go out and drinling some beers for 5-1^0 years and no
>>>> progress at all - if it ain#t broken don't fix it - seriously
>>>>
>>>> and before the next time Fedora decides to switch to KDE6 or
>>>> whatever
>>>> major release wait until the currently used one is really out of
>>>> support
>>>>
>>>> AND THEN PEOPLE WONDER WHY LINUX DESKTOPS HAVE NO BIG MARKET-SHARE,
>>>> FRANKLY WITH THE EXPIERIENCE KDE3 -> KDE4 / KDE4_> KDE5 I WOULD BE
>>>> A
>>>> FOOL TO RECOMMEND TO ANY NON-DEVLOPER SWITCH TO IT
>>>
>>>
>>> OK...
>>>
>>> Now that we have heard more than enough complaints.... How do we
>>> revert back?
>>>
>>> This is a serious question. I have yet to hear anyone compliment KDE5
>>> in anyway shape or form.
>>
>> Maybe because people mostly post when they have something to complain
>> about. Off the top of my head, my only problems with KDE5 are:
>>
>> 1) SDDM doesn't support gnome-keyring, so I have to use KDM
>> 2) Session Restore still doesn't work properly
>> 3) I get Plasma crashes pretty much every time I logout, but not
>> otherwise, and no freezes (touch wood)
>>
>> Everything else seems to work for me. I'm using the Nvidia driver, if
>> it matters.
8 years, 7 months
