Daniel Vrátil venit, vidit, dixit 11.05.2015 11:37:
> Hi,
>
> let me try to address some of the issues you and Eli raised here
>
> On Monday, May 11, 2015 04:59:38 PM Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 05/11/15 16:15, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
>>> Please everyone... I am not trolling or trying to start a debate. I am
>>> just stating my own very personal views with the following.
>>>
>>> I will start and end with the same statement.
>>>
>>> My comments here in no way reflects the exceptionally good work and
>>> repsonsiveness of Fedora's KDE Team.
>>>
>>> This is the first time that I can remember that I am not looking forward
>>> to the next release of Fedora.
>>>
>>> I have done a bit of fiddeling with plasma 5 and I must say as a long
>>> time
>>> KDE user I will not be upgrading to Plasma 5 on my main office or home
>>> systems given its current state. It is buggy, missing many features that
>>> I have become accustommed to and I have no way to work around the
>>> issues.
>>
>> Totally agree and I've pretty much, I think, stated the same in an
>> earlier
>> email.
>>
>>> While the individual issues that I have discovered may be minor, add
>>> them
>>> all up together with all the problems and issues that have been posted
>>> recently means some obstruction to my work flow.
>>>
>>> I will list the problems:
>>>
>>> no screensaver
>>>
>>> clock on the system tray takes up way to much realestate
>
> Digital or analog clock? With date or without? I use digital clock with
> date and it really only takes the minimum necessary space.
>
>>> resizing windows causes my windows to black until I click the app on the
>>> task switcher to minimze and then restore
>
> Hmm, could be a driver issue? Have you tried with KWin effects disabled
> (Alt +Shift+F12)?
>
>>> I cannot set my regional settings to the country where I live without
>>> changing the language of interface I want it to remain english.
>
> Is System Settings -> Regional Settings -> Formats what you are looking
> for? This does only affect time, currency etc. format, but not the actual
> language of the UI.
>
>>> kdepim has not been ported to the new library set yet.
>
> I don't see how this is a problem :-) We are going to release
> Qt5/KF5-based
> KDE PIM in August with KDE Applications 15.08 and our aim is for users not
> to be able to tell any difference between KDE 4 and KF5 version.
>
>>> The text contrast kicker cannot be altered.
>>>
>>> The American flag for the keyboard switcher is distorted
>
> That's the old (KDE 4) keyboard switcher, probably shown because you had
> some old KDED modules from KDE 4 still installed or loaded. In pure
> Plasma 5 environment the layout switcher only says "us" or "cz"
etc.
>
>> Allow me to add to your list....
>>
>> Starting from a "Saved Session" doesn't work. The windows may be
>> restored,
>> but they are never in the location you've saved them. And, they all end
>> up
>> on a single virtual desktop. And the systray may or may not be at the
>> height you previously specified. And, even if you save a session and you
>> want to start with Virtual Desktop 2 displayed, you'll get Virtual
>> Desktop
>> 1.
>
> Yes, this is a big issue :(
>
>> The default window size for konsole aren't always retained between login
>> sessions. Sometimes I get the 82x24 I want, and sometimes I don't.
>
> I think this might be related to the above :(
>
>> I can't define the date/time format for the systray clock that I want. I
>> want 24hr format an mm/dd/yy.
>
> We could add the to the configuration UI, or you could try to change that
> in regional and datetime settings.
>
>> The "upgrade" to Plasma 5 should be "seamless" in that your
themes and
>> decorations are retained. User installed themes are in a new location
>> but
>> not moved in the "upgrade" process. Users will have to spend time to
>> redo
>> their environment. If they have many systems they may get annoyed.
>
> In most cases that is not possible, as Oxygen Plasma 5 itself looks very
> differently from Oxygen in KDE 4 (+ Breeze is now the default), and most
> 3rd party themes and decorations don't provide Qt 5 versions yet, so what
> actually happens is fallback to default.
>
> Plus there were some major changings in the internals of Plasma, so the
> devs decided that it will be safer to not migrate the shell configuration
> (basically, it's better not to migrate anything than to migrate only
> something and break stuff).
>
>> You can't have a different wallpaper for each Virtual Desktop. This
>> makes
>> life boring.
>
> I think this is planned for 5.4 :)
>
>> There is no kwallet manager for Plasma 5 at this time....or so I've been
>> told.
>
> Jan is working on it, KWalletManager5 should hit repos in time for F22.
There is still the issue with kwalletmanager in dvratil-plasma-5 for f21
that I reported here:
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.kde/14329
Will kwalletmanager5 come to that repo and obsolete kwalletmanager-5,
and what about the kwalletmanager-4 vs. kwalletmanager-14 versioning
mishaps there?
Thanks for reminder, I'll adjust the Copr packaging and include
kwalletmanager5 in the Copr as well.
Dan
Michael
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