On Saturday, 8 July 2017 12:26:00 AM AEST Luigi Toscano wrote:
On Friday, 7 July 2017 16:18:58 CEST Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 07, 2017 at 11:04:03AM -0300, Guilherme Luciano Marques
> wrote:
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> > I think that the deduplication is a good idea, but, in my opinion,
> > Firefox
> > should be the default choice.
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>
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> I don't have a strong opinion here, but one advantage of choosing
> Firefox is that it will also be tested as part of the Workstation
> testing, rather than requiring something separate. If you all decide
> you want to do the work to make something else work, that's fine with
> me.
>
Talking about changes, you mentioned that there are many applications and
they
are tested at the end of the cycle. Can you please share more
details about it? Is it a matter of the number of the applications in
the
Live image, or there are some of them which are more troublesome to test.
Or maybe the applications by KDE simply don't have automated tests, while
there are some of them for Gnome applications?
Or a combination of all of them?
If we need to decide whether to cut something and where to add testing, it
would be better to know which parts the QA team finds more critical.
Ciao
To bridge the gap between IRC and mailing list, I'll post a bit of
conversation today:
02:31 < adamw> pino|work: we don't do detailed functionality testing of every
app
02:31 < adamw> the test case is to run each app, make sure it at least doesn't
crash entirely on startup, and make sure it seems at least basically capable
of doing *something* without crashing
02:32 < adamw> the reason we do this is that we noticed a while back reviewers
tend to be quite superficial, *they* don't have time to test everything
extensively either; but if they happen to run something and it's clearly
utterly broken they get very angry
02:32 < adamw> it's basically a 'oh my god did they even test this AT
ALL?!'
defence
02:32 < adamw> so the sheer volume of...stuff...that's launchable in KDE does
have a big effect
02:33 < tosky> adamw: out of curiosity, so it's a matter of number of
applications available by default in the Plasma menus?
02:33 < tosky> or are some applications more complicated than others?
02:33 < adamw> mainly the sheer number.
02:34 < adamw> it's not like we're going to write an entire novel to test
the
word processor, or setup a FreeIPA domain so we can really give kmail a
workout
02:34 < tosky> uhm
02:34 < tosky> but isn't there an email client in the Workstation too?
02:34 < tosky> at least, libreoffice is there
02:35 < adamw> sure
02:36 < adamw> those were just examples
02:36 < adamw> the point is, KDE has something like 3-4x as many things in its
default launcher menus as Workstation does
02:36 < adamw> (rough number, I have not counted)
I'm not certain my proposals are the best - but hey - that's why its a
proposal - and my aim was to start getting people talking about this as an
issue.
Everyone should weigh in on these, and maybe a short case about what should
stay, what should go.
Remember, this is purely about the Live boot image - which then becomes the
default install. Things that can be reasonably expected to be installed via
DNF *after* installing to a HDD are a prime candidate to be removed from the
live image. As such, I'd love more suggestions.
I believe we need to get in early to start making progress - otherwise we'll
find ourselves in the F27 release cycle before we know it!
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