On Wednesday 28 January 2009 12:29:16 Anne Wilson wrote:
On Wednesday 28 January 2009 00:19:49 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 January 2009 21:57:09 Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> > That's the problem, people want stuff that they can't provide
> > themselves and goes against what the ones doing the work decide to do.
>
> Forgive me Arthur but that's just plain rude.
Nothing rude there. It's just a plain statement of fact.
Developers that develop for the sake of development really aren't worth my
time or energy. I as a user and many other users take the time to report bugs
offer suggestions for improvements and otherwise provide feedback (as you
indicate further down). Of course a developer can accept or reject a users
feedback. But dismiss it outright. Excuse me. I don't need to be annoyed and
if I can't get a reasonable response other than I don't feel like it or its
boring... welll... (not getting personal and not thinking of anyone
specifically and a situation I'm sure almost all of us have encountered) I
personally will dismiss that developer and whatever he is developing as
irrelevant to me. And all the kudos that kind of ego is expecting for a job
well done will evaporate.
> Software is meant to be used
> by users. If I'm misunderstanding what you're implying by the your post
> then please forgive me. But even the most intelligent and best informed
> group of people can make mistakes in judgment. The most famous examples
> is the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
Not interested in politics. Please drop that.
Not a political statement. Merely an extreme example as to how group think can
lead to a disaster.
> User's can't provide the stuff that developers can
provide because they
> aren't developers. And developers should expect some negative feedback
> when they don't meet users expectations, or go off in directions that
> proves to be in error regarding the user experience. This is not a slight
> regarding the hard work and skill that goes into development.
So a baker that doesn't make your favourite bread is making a big mistake?
If enough people want that kind of bread... Then yeah... it is a big mistake.
They will take their patronage elsewhere (thanks for all the fish). The bread
on the shelf will spoil go bad and the shop closes.
> And no... you can't please all the people all the time. But
us users are
> the ones that actually use that which is developed and we should be
> respected. That we didn't provide more feedback is our error. But on the
> other hand, we really didn't have that much experience on which to base
> an opinion other than the quality and skill that went into KDE 3.x.
>
> More than likely because of the great programming that went into KDE 3.x
> and the hype surrounding 4.x we all were expecting the first release to
> on par. And a lot of us were disappointed that it wasn't. And in many
> ways still isn't. But it is definitely getting there.
I think all are agreed that enthusiasm in many quarters did cause hype that
lead to disappointment.
> To paraphrase Rex in a previous post. There really isn't any point to
> crying over spilled milk.
I still do not agree that it is spilled milk. We should agree to disagree,
drop the subject, and get on with life.
That's what I meant.
Eli
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